Project: Parkland Airport - West of Edmonton

[Prodriver]

Nimby's 2.0 Didn't this movie play already?

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-n ... ll-airport

[Hipster Exterminator]

What is the story on getting an FBO out there?

[MrWings]

The story I heard is that Parkland is in serious financial trouble. Development isn't occurring as expected because of it.

[MrWings]

Edmonton Flying Club had their 90th anniversary this weekend.

Protesters showed up: http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/parkland-cou ... -1.3443593

[skymarc]

Its in the middle of farm land, come on.

[MrWings]

Its in the middle of farm land, come on.

Very quiet farms.

[Schooner69A]

I drove tractor in my formative years. Very quiet tractors. Bigley quiet. Diesel quiet.

[pelmet]

Parkland not making a lot of friends with the neighbours: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.3785292

I have one experience with a neighbour of Parkland Airport. There is a small village about a half mile to the North with about 10 houses. After flying I was a bit tired and decided to take a snooze in my car before driving home. So i found an out of the way location in the shade near this village where I could close my eyes. After all, it would be irresponsible to drive when fatigued as many accidents have happened due to fatigue. I made sure that I was located where it would not interfere with anyone.

About 30 minutes later, some nasty woman was bothering me and telling me that her village was too small to have anyone around and insisted I leave. While I did feel like telling her off, I really didn't Need to have to deal with the Police if she called them so I left.

The amount of noise created for the neighbours in minimal to none. The neighbours are not on the departure path and are just a bunch of whiners.

Neighbours around Parkland appear to be nasty persons who are bothered by any little thing. Please ignore them and support EFC and the Parkland Airport.

Latest I heard was that the parallel Taxiway will be built this summer.

[FishermanIvan]

Buncha babies. There hasn't been helicopters at that airport for three months now.... And Cessna's aren't very loud.

[ThatArmyGuy]

My question is... did the protesters at least buy something from the breakfast food trucks to support local business?

If so, then win win!

[RatherBeFlying]

A retired ATC told me that Parkland is directly under an approach - anybody with current SIDs and STARs feel free to correct.

According to him, that has deterred turbine operators from basing there as IFR departures and approaches from and to Parkland may be hard to come by.

[5x5]

A retired ATC told me that Parkland is directly under an approach - anybody with current SIDs and STARs feel free to correct.

It's 2 miles north of MIPOT which is the IWP for the ILS12 at CYEG (Edmtn Intl) and is directly under TANBI which is the IWP for final on the RNAV34 for CZVL (Villeneuve).

[Fine day to fly]

@That army guy....No the protesters had a pancake breakfast laid on that day. The one the RCMP ate at when the EFC called them on 2 different occasions...No laws were broken it was a legal protest so the officers Sat down and had pancake and sausages with the protesters and then left...along with all the media that the EFC invited...That kinda backfired on them

[Fine day to fly]

@pelmet...a little fact checking for you...So you were tired...to tired to drive...which means you must have been flying that way also. You hop in your car tired parked in a private and secure parking lot and drove 1 mile north and decided to drive into a private cul de sac...not a village as you stated or 1/2 mile either...park right outside a homeowners driveway after driving being so tired 1 mile from as stated a secure parking lot. So if you were so tired why didn't you stay 1 mile south where you were? Your lucky you only dealt with the wife with 5 very large boys and not the Harley riding husband who is 6 foot 1 inch and about 280 lbs. If you did nothing wrong why fear the police? As far as noise goes you are right somewhat except there are homes at each end of the runway. What you forgot to mention in your fairy tale is that the EFC fly circuits out of CPL6 and never follow there published circuit path because according to there CFI "we're an airport we will fly where ever we want to." There lies the bulk of the problem with this airport...attitude and arrogance, and inability to follow even the simplists aviation rules, laws or common sense.

[pelmet]

@pelmet...a little fact checking for you...So you were tired...to tired to drive...which means you must have been flying that way also. You hop in your car tired parked in a private and secure parking lot and drove 1 mile north and decided to drive into a private cul de sac...not a village as you stated or 1/2 mile either...park right outside a homeowners driveway after driving being so tired 1 mile from as stated a secure parking lot. So if you were so tired why didn't you stay 1 mile south where you were? Your lucky you only dealt with the wife with 5 very large boys and not the Harley riding husband who is 6 foot 1 inch and about 280 lbs. If you did nothing wrong why fear the police? As far as noise goes you are right somewhat except there are homes at each end of the runway. What you forgot to mention in your fairy tale is that the EFC fly circuits out of CPL6 and never follow there published circuit path because according to there CFI "we're an airport we will fly where ever we want to." There lies the bulk of the problem with this airport...attitude and arrogance, and inability to follow even the simplists aviation rules, laws or common sense.

Well Mr. two posts on this forum...you have just proven me correct. You and your neighbours in the village just north of Parkland which hears no noise from the airport 99.9% of the time are nasty NIMBY's that are best ignored. Every time I go to Parkland, there is little flying activity. You should see some of the busy general aviation airports I fly at. They would love the quiet of your little village.

One can see how you lie about what is happening. You say I was flying tired with no evidence and you say that I parked right outside a homeowners driveway which is also a lie. As I stated in my post, I parked in an out of the way location which was...........at the far east end of Shady lane where it is just gravel roadway into the trees. All designed to be clear of anyone and it happened to be in the shade.

I suspect that Parkland Airport is here to stay. I might still go for a mid-afternoon snooze in the area some time, it was quite quiet and peaceful and no airplanes woke me up. I do that once in a while as it beats driving tired. But you never know what lies a nasty NIMBY might tell the police as we can see with your lies right here. You are already lying about the noise being any more disturbing than the neighbour is on his Harley.

[YBW-Kid]

I have been reading the posts regarding the Parkland Airport and wanted to present another perspective. I'm pretty disgusted by some of the immature and selfish comments I have read by some who seem to have zero concept of the issues occurring here. Your name calling of the local farmers and home owners in the area is bullshit!!!!!!

I am proud to identify myself as a "Nimby". People who call others this name have no dog in the race. Nothing they love to loose. Nothing they cherish to protect. You see these people you call "Nimby's" were there long before this airport was built. They had a idilic way of life they cherished. Comments like "its only open farmland" indicate you have zero concept of the issues. Every airplane which fly's over them, now reminds them of this change they did not want. None of us like change, but if it was thrust upon you without any considerations to your concerns, then you take a stand against that change. You become a Nimby, proudly.

Airports and Pilots are outsiders intruding on these peoples lives. To those who use the word Nimby, I sincerely hope you someday are on the other end of this issue. Think of of your home you live in now. Are you proud of it? You work extremely hard to pay for it. You skimp and save and sacrifice to put yourself where you live. Did you invest money in making it just perfect with own person touches, landscaping, backyard upgrades, developed basement exactly to your tastes and comforts? You choose the neighbourhood because of the tree's, the parks, the quiet streets, the view. Do you love where you live? I hope you do. We all deserve that.

Now imagine a corporation, developer, or government telling you there is a huge change coming to your neighbourhood. Sorry- we are cutting down the trees you love to make room for the parking lot and roads to put the new Walmart across the way from your home. Too bad you don't like all the flood lights to keep the parking lot lit up at night. Have to keep them safe. Too bad you don't like all the traffic driving by you house to shortcut into the Walmart. Too bad people leave shopping carts on your lawn. Too bad you don't like the noise of the big trucks brining in to products at 3:00 AM. Hell you use a noisy lawnmower to cut your grass- what are you bitching about. Your a Nimby! Remember what your home was like before all those changes? Too bad.

[photofly]

You choose the neighbourhood because of the tree's,

The tree’s what? And which tree? Enquiring minds need to know.

[Spandau]

We have loons like this at my home airfield as well, but fortunately they seem to be in the single digits. One guy went around to all the houses near the airport with a petition calling for it's closure a few years ago. When he knocked on one door and was met by the lovely young lady living there she politely listened to his nonsense and then told him "Listen, not only does my three year old plaster himself against the living room window every time that STAR's helicopter comes in here, but so does my husband. Get lost!"

Most of these NIMBYs are just tofu sucking, pot smoking, attention seeking morons with an overinflated sense of entitlement and importance - losers by any other name. If they weren't b-tching about airport noise they'd be trying to get the highway or the railroad rerouted, or Harleys banned.

[rigpiggy]

something like 90% of the complaints at YYZ come from 6 houses.

there was a guy outside of LHR that got caught out using an automated dialler on the complaint line, he didn't change the dialler for the schedules after time change.

Follow the money. EAA probably gives these nimby's dough to organize/protest. it also explains the changes to aerodrome laws after these airport authorities were caught out....
Parkland is a response to the BS from EAA

[Lightchop]

I have been reading the posts regarding the Parkland Airport and wanted to present another perspective. I'm pretty disgusted by some of the immature and selfish comments I have read by some who seem to have zero concept of the issues occurring here. Your name calling of the local farmers and home owners in the area is bullshit!!!!!!

I am proud to identify myself as a "Nimby". People who call others this name have no dog in the race. Nothing they love to loose. Nothing they cherish to protect. You see these people you call "Nimby's" were there long before this airport was built. They had a idilic way of life they cherished. Comments like "its only open farmland" indicate you have zero concept of the issues. Every airplane which fly's over them, now reminds them of this change they did not want. None of us like change, but if it was thrust upon you without any considerations to your concerns, then you take a stand against that change. You become a Nimby, proudly.

Airports and Pilots are outsiders intruding on these peoples lives. To those who use the word Nimby, I sincerely hope you someday are on the other end of this issue. Think of of your home you live in now. Are you proud of it? You work extremely hard to pay for it. You skimp and save and sacrifice to put yourself where you live. Did you invest money in making it just perfect with own person touches, landscaping, backyard upgrades, developed basement exactly to your tastes and comforts? You choose the neighbourhood because of the tree's, the parks, the quiet streets, the view. Do you love where you live? I hope you do. We all deserve that.

Now imagine a corporation, developer, or government telling you there is a huge change coming to your neighbourhood. Sorry- we are cutting down the trees you love to make room for the parking lot and roads to put the new Walmart across the way from your home. Too bad you don't like all the flood lights to keep the parking lot lit up at night. Have to keep them safe. Too bad you don't like all the traffic driving by you house to shortcut into the Walmart. Too bad people leave shopping carts on your lawn. Too bad you don't like the noise of the big trucks brining in to products at 3:00 AM. Hell you use a noisy lawnmower to cut your grass- what are you bitching about. Your a Nimby! Remember what your home was like before all those changes? Too bad.

You sound like a child just like your name. When you go and purchase all the land surrounding yours, then you can have ultimate control over it. The entitlement in this post is baffling.