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AC buying/bought AT

Post by Gear Up » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:33 pm

OK, so don;t start beakin off at me that I'm spreading rumours and yadda yadda yadda, I'm just saying what I'm hearing today and you guys and trolls can flame away all ya want, but rumours are that AC has bought AT and will make an annoucement tomorrow.

Have at'er kids !!
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by justwork » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:22 pm

I can't see how that would make any sense. Stranger things have happened.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by Big Pistons Forever » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:44 pm

That's so crazy it is probably true :rolleyes:
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by voodoomech » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:44 pm

Doubt it
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by ScudRunner » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:02 pm

hmm lets see;

A company just out of bankruptcy who currently has their triennial bankruptcy proceedings pre booked and forms stamped for 2016 is buying another company going through some difficult times. Additionally Air Canada is launching rouge their low cost carrier, and WestJet Encore about to begin flying against AC on other routes I conclude:

What you heard its completely true! This makes absolute sense in terms of Canadian Aviation.

Oh BTW I heard it was WJ that bought AT.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by Scuba_Steve » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:24 pm

I heard it was sky regional...
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by Brize » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:39 pm

No no no no no no no..

Jazz has cut it's dividend in half so it can save up and buy AC... which has bought AT.

Duhhh
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by dashx » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:01 pm

Makes sense.

170's are gone. 190's are next.

AT has 330's. AC has 330's. Perfect match.

Yuuuup. Got-r-done.

And nobody got hurt.

And all done in the wonderful country of Quebec.
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Post by 727driver » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:17 pm

Strategically makes sense. Buy the tour operation cut the airline division loose because of its high cost structure. Rouge gets instant market share, eliminates their main competitor for the euro market and has one less headache for the winter. I'm sure the bean counters are looking at this option. Mergers and acquisition are the name of the game and we are all just pawns in the millionaires club game. Just look at the euro and american legacies. This is nothing new, been going on hard and fast in the post 9/11 era of aviation. I also find it ironic that they used a French word for the new brand, targeting the Transat loyal French Canadian travellers in PQ and looking to establish a new brand loyalty?
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by iflyforpie » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:27 pm

I'm buying them both. I am going to become the Frank Lorenzo of Canadian aviation. :twisted:
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Post by Scuba_Steve » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:32 pm

727driver wrote:Strategically makes sense. Buy the tour operation cut the airline division loose because of its high cost structure. Rouge gets instant market share, eliminates their main competitor for the euro market and has one less headache for the winter. I'm sure the bean counters are looking at this option. Mergers and acquisition are the name of the game and we are all just pawns in the millionaires club game. Just look at the euro and american legacies. This is nothing new, been going on hard and fast in the post 9/11 era of aviation. I also find it ironic that they used a French word for the new brand, targeting the Transat loyal French Canadian travellers in PQ and looking to establish a new brand loyalty?
TS has a higher cost structure than Rouge? :lol:
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by 727driver » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:53 pm

Have you seen the pay scale at Rouge for fa's and pilots. Lots of of skippers are at year 10 pay at AT, not to mention senior fo's making +100k in Yul. Mostly all new right seat meat and year 2-3 skippers starting at little red.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by Takeoff OK » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:02 pm

Perhaps this would be more interesting if the OP gave us an idea of where he heard it.

Also, I find it hard to imagine that any announcement would be made on a Saturday.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by CID » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:24 pm

This isn't much if a secret. There's been speculation in the press already.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by Dockjock » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:26 pm

Merger [shudder]
With a Quebec company [oh god]
Wait we're a Quebec company [oh god why]
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by Panama Jack » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:44 am

Wonder what they will rename it?

Air Canada Bleu?
Air Canada Etoile?
or, perhaps keeping with their musical repetoire after Tango, Jazz, etc., and a name that sounds OK in both official languages, how about "Air Canada les Blues"?
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by trey kule » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:36 am

Was there an announcement?
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by bmc » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:32 am

What would they be buying? A330's and A310's. Their routes have no value as AC can operate them if they wish. They risk opening the union can of worms.

I don't see the strategic value to AC. What am I missing, except for a cold beer in my hand?
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by 727driver » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:51 pm

Established client base, extensive network of nationwide travel agencies, hotels, established travel products, marketing programs and infrastructure. Group Transat is not an airline, it is vertically inter grated tour operator. That's something you need to be in order to compete in the leisure market and what rouge will need to establish to be a player.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by JZA » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:32 pm

Short of eliminating the competition for rouge, and picking up more A330s for mainline, I dont see a logical benefit at all.

As for an established tour/vacation operator....check that they already have; Air Canada Vacations.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by Independence » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:13 pm

CATSA are very close to buying out Nav Canada. Final sticking point is figuring out how to allow controllers to handle your junk before they allow you to land.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by bmc » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:31 pm

727driver wrote:Established client base, extensive network of nationwide travel agencies, hotels, established travel products, marketing programs and infrastructure. Group Transat is not an airline, it is vertically inter grated tour operator. That's something you need to be in order to compete in the leisure market and what rouge will need to establish to be a player.
Your post just described Air Canada Vacations.

Air Canada has far greater global reach, not only on it's own but also through the Star Alliance, to far more markets, accessing far more capacity and destinations than Air Transat will ever achieve. The revenue settlement agreement between the Star members, which I have some intimate knowledge of, gives AC great access to the planet without having to commit dedicated aircraft to.

Air Canada is one of the oldest airlines in the world. They've been at this for years, much longer than Group Transat.

Again, I'm not convinced. I could very well be wrong. I've been wrong before. Just ask my wife.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by tjtailwind » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:22 am

I agree with 727driver. AC would be interested in AT for everything but the airline. Hotels, Travel Agencies and the Tour Operator. It might help explain why AT has been working so hard to get their balance sheet in order. It would also give AC a significant majority in the southern vacation market and an almost 100% lock on the European market.
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Re: AC buying/bought AT

Post by bmc » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:30 am

So an AC/AT deal would give them 100% market share, pushing AF, LH, BA, Air Berlin and every other charter operator out of the Canada Europe Market? Really?
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