NavAir off the runway in YYC!

sudzy · Post by **sudzy** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:55 pm

Saw a Navair Navajo off the end of the runway in Calgary. Anyone have the details?.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:42 am

My guess is- the runway was too short. HAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Yeah, I'm an idiot.

-istp

Turkey · Post by **Turkey** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:05 am

Yep, those darned short runways in Calgary. And the Navajo; known world-wide for it's enormous appetite for runways.

Oh well, so someone made a mistake. Come to think of it, I think I made one of those once, too.

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:08 pm

which runway?

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:27 pm

It was on, or is that off?? 25. I'm told it was quite spectacular to watch and I only missed it by a few minutes. Apparently he four wheeled it out of the weeds after going sideways etc so the airplane is probably pretty trashed; although with the airplanes Nav Air uses for the bag run, who could tell?

cockpit_cowboy · Post by **cockpit_cowboy** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:53 pm

cockpit_cowboy · Post by **cockpit_cowboy** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:54 pm

low n over · Post by **low n over** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:00 pm

Well you cant say Dynamic ever did that.

I dont think so anyway.

airliner · Post by **airliner** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:29 pm

what do you expect from a bunch or pilots how are paid by the ( a long day) and all they want to do is get home to the beer. i to would hit the gas and hope no one saw

complexintentions · Post by **complexintentions** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:35 pm

Anyone able to shed any light on the actual cause of the incident?

Don't get me wrong, I like a good ol' fashioned "trash the pilot/company/industry/etc" session, but I think there's one or two threads already going on that...

jeezez this industry eats it's young...more interested in how a light piston twin overruns a long dry runway...

airliner · Post by **airliner** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:37 pm

by the way i am just joking. we all make mistakes and it happens. navair is just on the hit list since they are below a tier 3 company so i think we should all just give them a break a be thankful that the pilot only went into the rubarb and not anything worse

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:44 pm

[quote="airliner"]by the way i am just joking. we all make mistakes and it happens. navair is just on the hit list since they are below a tier 3 company so i think we should all just give them a break a be thankful that the pilot only went into the rubarb and not anything worse

[/quote]

???? who let this guy onthis website????

iflynkd · Post by **iflynkd** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:40 pm

What, anything that isn't tier 3 isn't worth anything? Give me a frick'n break, take a look at ALL the companies in this great land that fall into that category.

swede · Post by **swede** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:11 pm

Oh well, so someone made a mistake. Come to think of it, I think I made one of those once, too.[/quote]

Yeah, I thought I was wrong once, but it turned out I was mistaken.

complexintentions · Post by **complexintentions** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:01 pm

heheh well I can tell you for a fact many, many Navair pilots have gone directly from there to: AC, Jazz, Cathay, Emirates, and on and on...guess they skipped a few tiers huh?!

Wonder if it's in spite of the fact that the a/c are beat-looking and the pilots are low-paid, that multi-crew multi-IFR ops six days a week into such easy destinations as YCG still count for somethin'?! still

Back to the thread - so why DID this one go in the weeds?

scabber · Post by **scabber** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:04 pm

Navair idiots.

Its was an almost certainty that they would come into the YYC scene with a bang.

Good job boys. I hope it wasnt the sweet navajo I have seen around yyc.. with the primer green wings and rust colored cowls.

TRANSPORT!! PLEASE DO SOMETHING!!!

ice ice baby · Post by **ice ice baby** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:22 pm

TRANSPORT!! PLEASE DO SOMETHING!!!

Now scabber, didn't you used to work for regency? If transport could only pick one do you think they would shutdown Navair or Regency? Lots of pilots got there start at nav, and many more will. I heard it was a direct entry captain FROM REGENCY which decided even after verbal promptings from the FO that he was too fast to land long he did so anyway. Why you ask? to avoid a longer taxi. After verbal promptings you say transport should shut them down because of a poor decision by a crew member? WTF! Maybe this should serve as a reminder to everyone to land the F*cking plane first and wory about a long taxi second. It isn't the first time an aircraft has had an incident because of this and it won't be the last.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:05 pm

airliner wrote:what do you expect from a bunch or pilots how are paid by the ( a long day) and all they want to do is get home to the beer. i to would hit the gas and hope no one saw

Would you then go home without saying a word and fly the airplane the next day?

By the way, since the little excursion was directly in front of Sunwest's hangar during working hours; chances of it going unseen are pretty slim. Then there's this wee pointy thing on the other side of the airplane where I'm told people have a habit of looking out their windows to watch the airplanes coming and going, I think they call it a tower or something like that.

Note I haven't said a word of criticism with regards to the reasons for the excursion; since I wasn't there and don't know what caused it. But I do question the decision to continue the excursion out of the weeds; since the airplane did go sideways, how was anybody to know how much longer the gear was going to hold up? I have no idea of the condition of the airplane, if it's salvageable or not; but at least the engines and props might have been saved. If the gear went during the drive out, there they go too. It's not like he was going to shut down traffic in YYC if he/she had just let it come to rest.

shankdown · Post by **shankdown** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:25 pm

Isn't the cargo ramp down at that end of 25? Perhaps he's getting so much pressure to be on time with the cargo, he was just being a good employee by initiating a highspeed rollout and then off-roadin' it to the ramp! Hire that man! He was only looking out for the best interest of the company.

Armchair Investigator Shankdown

swede · Post by **swede** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:30 pm

not_a_chance · Post by **not_a_chance** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:21 pm

It's not like he was going to shut down traffic in YYC if he/she had just let it come to rest.

If it's a Navair pilot, rest assured it's a he. Navair management still don't realize that it's 2005 and that in Canada, not only are women allowed to vote, but they're allowed to fly airplanes too. Or drive them off the end of the runway as the case may be.

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:44 pm

not_a_chance wrote:
It's not like he was going to shut down traffic in YYC if he/she had just let it come to rest.
If it's a Navair pilot, rest assured it's a he. Navair management still don't realize that it's 2005 and that in Canada, not only are women allowed to vote, but they're allowed to fly airplanes too. Or drive them off the end of the runway as the case may be.

Think about the logistics/costs this company would have to deal with by hiring mixed sex crews: Two separate rooms to flake out in every day, in every town. How long do you think they would last competing against a company that doesn't even pay their F/Os. There's not a company in existance in Canada that I know of that arbitrarily will not hire women.

leftcoaster · Post by **leftcoaster** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:18 pm

"Think about the logistics/costs this company would have to deal with by hiring mixed sex crews: Two separate rooms to flake out in every day, in every town. How long do you think they would last competing against a company that doesn't even pay their F/Os. There's not a company in existance in Canada that I know of that arbitrarily will not hire women."

So how many Women has Nav Air ever hired in their decades long history?
zero.
Coincidence I guess.

ice ice baby · Post by **ice ice baby** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:15 am

hey leftcoaster, many years ago (back when they flew single pilot IFR) I believe Navair did hire one. Maybe you should look at things a bit cloaser. Do women ever get on at Air Canada before guys with the same qualifications? Do some places have non-flying positons (that often lead to flying positions) that are often only filled by women? The carma goes around, whatever way you look at it someone else is always getting a better deal.

not_a_chance · Post by **not_a_chance** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:27 am

Airtids wrote:
Think about the logistics/costs this company would have to deal with by hiring mixed sex crews: Two separate rooms to flake out in every day, in every town. How long do you think they would last competing against a company that doesn't even pay their F/Os. There's not a company in existance in Canada that I know of that arbitrarily will not hire women.

If that's your argument, then here's one solution - how about hiring more than one woman and pair the female pilots together? But, really, who am I kidding, if they won't even hire one woman now, then the concept of having a female Captain as well as Co-pilot on the payroll is less likely then winning the lottery without buying a ticket!