Ice Pilots Season 5 discussion...

[wan2fly99]

Well they are back. On trailer already people mad at each other

Ironically the had an ad for pilot on the site

Would you apply

Still like the show thought.

Sad thought that Arnie is not there anymore

Must have been a great teacher

[Solaris]

I am really looking forward to the new season, here is more info. Happy Landings !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKSjGbFE7ng

Ice Pilots NWT
Episode: Cold Start

PREMIERE
NEW
S05, E01

Everyone scrambles following a landing-gear collapse on the runway; getting a frozen DC-4 into the air proves to be a difficult task.
CC
TV-PG
10:00 - 11:00 PM HISTORY CHANNEL (43)

[crosswind206]

I have to say that I enjoyed the show, enjoyed the characters. My two favorite episodes were watching Mikey get hammered in the UK while watching soccer with the fans(he did an amazing job of representing Canada oversees, ((the way it should be))) and my other favorite was watching Joe get human ashes blowing back in his face while scattering ashes for a client's deceased in the back of the DC3. (Absolutely no disrespect for the deceased family).

I have never met Joe, but I have run into a couple people who have, and I understand he has a heart of gold.

[co-joe]

No idea what flight pay works out to but 2500 a month for a captain on a plane that size would be hard to justify. As for the show, PVR is set. Good entertainment...not my idea of a fun work environment. But to each a zone...

[Shiny Side Up]

Well they are back. On trailer already people mad at each other

Ironically the had an ad for pilot on the site

Would you apply

Still like the show thought.

Sad thought that Arnie is not there anymore

Must have been a great teacher

Your grammar is poor

Punctuation is missing

Haiku it is not

[frozen solid]

Well they are back. On trailer already people mad at each other

Ironically the had an ad for pilot on the site

Would you apply

Still like the show thought.

Sad thought that Arnie is not there anymore

Must have been a great teacher

Your grammar is poor

Punctuation is missing

Haiku it is not

Shiny side up, you have just affirmed for me there are still clever people in the world. Awesome.

Spelling is crucial
Ideas will change with time
Orthography stands.

Yours was funnier.

[PositiveRate27]

No idea what flight pay works out to but 2500 a month for a captain on a plane that size would be hard to justify. As for the show, PVR is set. Good entertainment...not my idea of a fun work environment. But to each a zone...

Yikes, I make more than that as an FO... My airplane is de-iced, groomed, heated for me and I even live in an urban metropolis. Granted, I've had my share of lucky breaks, but I've also put my time in. Fortunately it was never in a place like that. What in gods name would posses someone to go through all that bullsh!t for that kind of pay? Any company that employs captains that threaten to punch people in the face like that and belittle them doesn't deserve a second look. Call me a new school spoiled brat but I insist on being treated like a human being when I go in to work. I sincerely hope this show isn't glorifying this kind of low timer exploitation process with it's "earn your man card up in the North" theme to the up and coming pilot group.

PR

[wan2fly99]

grammar and punctuation poor Oh well se la vita

[Colonel Sanders]

I make more than that as an FO... I've also put my time in

I really wish pilots had to take an economics course
to obtain an ATPL, which is utilized in a commercial
air service.

What part of commercial do pilots not understand?

Why do pilots think they are above the laws of the
marketplace?

How much you get paid has NOTHING to do with merit
or "how much time you have put in".

How much you get paid depends on the supply of, and
the demand for, the commodity that you are providing.

Friends of mine pull down $2500/day. For doing some
pretty tricky stuff. They can charge that because very
few people can do, what they do. Again, see the law
of supply and demand.

[jspitfire]

Read the ad again folks, it says "plus flight pay." I believe their mileage pay adds substantially to that.

[railroad]

Buffalo Airways has a reputation for a lot of things; low Captain wages, is not one of them.

[PositiveRate27]

I make more than that as an FO... I've also put my time in

I really wish pilots had to take an economics course
to obtain an ATPL, which is utilized in a commercial
air service.

What part of commercial do pilots not understand?

Why do pilots think they are above the laws of the
marketplace?

How much you get paid has NOTHING to do with merit
or "how much time you have put in".

How much you get paid depends on the supply of, and
the demand for, the commodity that you are providing.

Friends of mine pull down $2500/day. For doing some
pretty tricky stuff. They can charge that because very
few people can do, what they do. Again, see the law
of supply and demand.

I'm not really sure how the concept of one's experience level having an effect on how much one gets paid is escaping you, but as far as the supply and demand you preach on goes:

Supply = Thousands of 200-250 hour low time pilots
Demand = Pilots with over 1000 hours and varying amounts of turbine and PIC time.

I had to put some time in to achieve the appropriate amount of PIC and turbine time before I was able to qualify for the job I described which pays me more, allows me to fly newer equipment that is tidy and groomed for me. Hence why I said "Yikes, I make more than that as an FO... My airplane is de-iced, groomed, heated for me and I even live in an urban metropolis. Granted, I've had my share of lucky breaks, but I've also put my time in."

The concept of "supply and demand" is not lost on me Colonel. If you are going to quote me, make sure you quote what I actually say, not mash 2 of my sentences together to suit the point you are trying to make.

[North Shore]

Please keep all IP5 discussions in here. Thanks!

[Maynard]

Not trying to stir, but one would think that doing a walk around on the same plane year after year, you'd notice a yellow handle sticking out where there normally isn't? Do the gear doors close on the ground on the 46 so they couldn't have seen it? Or is the wheel well so big the hammer wouldn't really be noticeable? I know nothing about the c46.....

[GUMPS]

I'm not really sure how the concept of one's experience level having an effect on how much one gets paid is escaping you, but as far as the supply and demand you preach on goes:

Supply = Thousands of 200-250 hour low time pilots
Demand = Pilots with over 1000 hours and varying amounts of turbine and PIC time.

I had to put some time in to achieve the appropriate amount of PIC and turbine time before I was able to qualify for the job I described which pays me more, allows me to fly newer equipment that is tidy and groomed for me. Hence why I said "Yikes, I make more than that as an FO... My airplane is de-iced, groomed, heated for me and I even live in an urban metropolis. Granted, I've had my share of lucky breaks, but I've also put my time in."

You seem like the kind of guy I want sitting in the right seat of my de-iced, groomed and heated aircraft....

[PositiveRate27]

I've unintentionally stirred a topic off course from the original topic. I have no interest in discussing the economics of aviation, nor have my character evaluated and belittled from one sentence by a random on the internet. I'm removing myself from this thread before it's ruined for everyone.

PR

[CpnCrunch]

Not trying to stir, but one would think that doing a walk around on the same plane year after year, you'd notice a yellow handle sticking out where there normally isn't? Do the gear doors close on the ground on the 46 so they couldn't have seen it? Or is the wheel well so big the hammer wouldn't really be noticeable? I know nothing about the c46.....

As I understand it (from watching the show), the hammer was inside the engine compartment and fell down into the wheel well during flight (or on landing), so it wouldn't have been apparent during the preflight.

[complexintentions]

Anybody got a link to a download? I checked but I can't get IP Season 5 on Nilesat here in Dubai.

Yeah yeah I know, torrents are bad, evil, etc etc..

$2500/day?! Wow, that's $75,000/month! What's the gig? Oh wait...you mean they make that once in a blue moon. Ok not interested anymore.

[Shiny Side Up]

$2500/day?! Wow, that's $75,000/month! What's the gig?

Prostitute. I hear there's big demand, but you might need to make some life changes.

[Colonel Sanders]

$2500/day?!

They've been at that gig steady for a few years now.

I spent two years fixing software for offshore drilling
rigs. If a rig went down, it cost most of a million bucks
a day. They had 60 rigs, last time I counted, with more
going online every month.

If a rig fails catastrophically, that's a multi-billion dollar
mistake.

That's not much of a revenue stream compared
to your typical 703/704 operation, I will admit.

[rigpiggy]

Had a captain threaten me years back at the Beaver.
i told him i was running on 3hrs sleep and had 6 beer in me, it would be a fair fight.
He declined my offer. It is amazing how civil people can be when they realize possible
consequences. spoiled new age schoolboy;-)

[shimmydampner]

But to each a zone...

Yes, for all intensive purposes.

[justwork]

Off topic I know, but I can't help it...

But to each a zone...

Back on track, I'll watch season 5.

[complexintentions]

$2500/day?!

They've been at that gig steady for a few years now.

I spent two years fixing software for offshore drilling
rigs. If a rig went down, it cost most of a million bucks
a day. They had 60 rigs, last time I counted, with more
going online every month.

If a rig fails catastrophically, that's a multi-billion dollar
mistake.

That's not much of a revenue stream compared
to your typical 703/704 operation, I will admit.

They've been making $2500/day, every day, for years? Really? Ok I'm interested again. Although I'd really hate to be grossing close to a million in Canada as the taxes would kill you no matter how you tried to shelter it. Better to make that offshore and visit. Less than 183 days a year, of course. But that's easily more than the number of days of nice weather in Canada anyway.

I'm not sure what 703/704 ops have to do with it, other than in our op if we make a catastrophic mistake and write off a 280 million dollar machine and the lawsuits that would come from 450 pax families, pretty sure the losses would run in the billions. Not to mention the incalculable brand damage. So perhaps some parallels, I suppose.

What's the gig? You still didn't mention it. Or is this one of those "I have this friend..." cagey posts?

Anyone know where I can find Ice Pilots to view online? Not into this delayed gratification thing!

[AEROMONKEY]

Can anyone tell me why they cannot buy a de-ice truck??? Having these guys walk up on these wings in the winter seems a little bit crazy....seriously buckets and mops?? Our SMS dept would be having a fit if they saw this!! I'm gonna assume they are working at a height of over 6ft which would require them to be tied off somehow? I'm pretty sure thats law? Does anyone else have to do this?