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Mom's Air

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Alberta Premier Allison Redford travels a lot in her job and likely puts in hours that would turn a union safety rep's face purple.

Sometimes she takes her 12 year old daughter along and if she will be putting in a lot of time in meetings, she will take along one of her daughter's friends so they can keep each other company.

So if there's empty seats on the King Air, the incremental cost is next to nothing.

But there is an additional liability exposure for the operator.

This week a school bus driver got fired for picking up the kids on her route in -37C wind chill with her personal vehicle when her bus could not start.

Should the King Air pilot be fired?

Discuss :smt040
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Alberta is really ran from Houston and Washington.

The Premier could just move to one of those cities and stop the facade.

The King Air Pilot should move into the newly emptied out Legislature Building, and answer the phone if a taxpayer calls about something. After a while the calls would slow to one or two a day, and he could fly radio controlled choppers around inside under the big empty dome .
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A little more on topic, I only skimmed the headline once about the Red nanny flying her young'uns on the taxpayers aeroplane.

I think it's not a big deal-if she stopped to pick up powder nose Rob Ford and gave him a ride to vegas, or something, then maybe....

These are both unimportant distractions from more important issues, we're watching the apparenly more important left hand , while the magicians right hand is doing things that would get it sword-chopped in Riyahd.
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I was actually thinking about this when I stumbled across this thread.

In all seriousness if there is an empty seat in the plane and having the extra passenger does not lead to an extra fuel stop or any other deviations to the original flight plan that would have taken place what is the harm?

I understand the risk factor but I also question how many times a few others get thrown on the plane for "Business" for the sake of getting out of the office for a day if there is an empty seat.

She said she will pay back about $3000 of flight costs for the "Friend" but if they used the Company Aircraft for these trips... how is it determined an extra cost even occurred? Or was those trips on AC/WJ

So the "Grand Plan" is to stop trips outside of the province... so what did that achieve? The once a month or two trip.. REALLY. I am sure just making better stipulations for the "Long Haul" trips makes Business sense would be enough. Lets say 2 people taking the KA350 to Toronto to meet up with the PM to go to Africa is questionable but if a full load of Ministers or something still might make business sense.

Without a doubt someone's hand got caught in the cookie jar and this whole thing is directed at some kind of punishment for that...

But for those of you conspiracy people... how about we look in the fine print of OTHER things going on... with all this Show going on to mask the headlines... what is REALLY going on and being covered up???
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It seems to me that since the senate scandal, we are all a bit too quick to hang someone for nothing. I am no fan of Ms. Redford but the fact is she does work very long hours and many times away from home. She didn't charter a plane to have her kid sent to her...there was an empty seat and she let her kid ride in it. Where is the harm in that? Top it off with her offer to pay back the 3K that was the estimated cost of the charter, and this becomes a non issue very fast.

In this instance, the Alberta premier didn't do anything wrong. She just wanted to spend a bit of time with her child as a mother...ya, lets string her up! :roll:

Not everyone in government are scum sucking low lifes. Most, but not all. Certainly not in this particular instance.

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flyinthebug wrote:It seems to me that since the senate scandal, we are all a bit too quick to hang someone for nothing.
Perhaps read more of the news. This particular instance only came up as she used it as a way to try and weasel out of responding properly to a much more egregious waste of taxpayer money on a trip to Nelson Mandela's funeral. She's hardly being "hanged" for nothing.
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There's got to be a "yo momma" joke here somewhere...

Yo momma's so fat, when she got on board her aircraft, the nose wheel collapsed.
Yo momma's so fat this is her aircraft:
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5x5 wrote:
flyinthebug wrote:It seems to me that since the senate scandal, we are all a bit too quick to hang someone for nothing.
Perhaps read more of the news. This particular instance only came up as she used it as a way to try and weasel out of responding properly to a much more egregious waste of taxpayer money on a trip to Nelson Mandela's funeral. She's hardly being "hanged" for nothing.
You could well be correct about that 5x5 but I am referring directly to this flight. In this instance, she did nothing wrong.
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Here's the thing, \
1. She is not a single parent
2. She made a decision to be a politician and reaffirmed that as recently as 2 years ago.
3. If there is no extra cost for the planes operation then no problem with her daughter going along but then of course the same privilege must be extended to other MLAs and Government employees who use the aircraft. Perhaps even the pilots? 8)
4. I wonder who looks after the 12 year old when Redford is in the very important meeting that she must use the Government aircraft to attend, surely the daughter is not left on her own.
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Pilots always get to carry the bags and look after the kids of the rich and famous :)

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What's the flying time on a King Air from YEG to YOW to YEG?

Isn't $15,000 a little bit of a lowball estimate of the cost?
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She 'grounded' further gov't flights outside Alberta pending auditor general look see:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/alb ... story.html

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http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/alb ... story.html

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By THE CANADIAN PRESS March 7, 2014 5:25 PM
Read all about it: Alberta’s Redford spending $300K to hire more letter-writers

Alberta Premier Alison Redford is using part of $1.2 million in extra cash directed to her office in Thursday’s budget to hire more letter-writers.
Photograph by: Topher Seguin , Edmonton Journal

EDMONTON - Alberta Premier Alison Redford’s office says it will use $300,000 of a $1.2-million boost in its budget this year to hire more letter writers.

Neala Barton, Redford’s spokeswoman, said Friday the premier needs to respond better to the high volume of correspondence from Albertans.

Barton said the goal is “to speed up how quickly we’re getting back to Albertans.”

She could not say how many new letter writers will be hired or how many are already handling correspondence for Redford.

Earlier Friday, Barton said the figure to be spent on the hires was one-third of the $1.2 million, which would have been $440,000, but she later clarified that it was one-quarter.

She said the remaining $900,000 will be used to pay off internal contractual obligations and to hold more events to persuade dignitaries to visit and invest in the province.

The increase brings Redford’s office budget to $12.8 million — a 9.4 per cent increase from the previous year.

Opposition critics called it more hypocritical waste from a premier under fire over revelations of lavish travel spending while freezing public sector wages and letting program spending lag.

“She’s putting herself and the members of her inner circle above the very people she’s supposed to serve,” said Liberal Leader Raj Sherman. “Redford is really rubbing it in the face of Albertans.

“With $1.2 million, Redford can actually hire 20 teachers for a whole year.”

NDP Leader Brian Mason said the budget increase for the premier’s office widens the divide between Redford and Albertans.

“It’s another example of the tale of two Albertas: one for the premier and her entourage and the other for the rest of us, who are expected to make do with less.”

On Thursday, Redford’s government delivered a second consecutive budget that held the line on spending in a province leading the country in economic and population growth.

On Friday, her team fanned out across Alberta to talk about the budget.

Redford’s office said she had no events or media availabilities.

It was the end to a rough first week back in the legislature for a premier who has been hounded by opponents for weeks to repay $45,000 for a trip she and her aide took in December to attend Nelson Mandela’s funeral. The trip included use of a government plane and first-class air tickets. Nova Scotia’s premier made the same trip for under $1,000.

There have been other revelations, including one that Redford billed taxpayers for a $9,000 ride back from a Palm Springs vacation on a government plane to attend former premier Ralph Klein’s funeral.

On Tuesday, Redford admitted that for over a year she had been flying her daughter and her daughter’s friends around on government planes. She repaid $3,100 to cover the cost of the friends.

She has now grounded all out-of-province government plane trips and has asked the auditor general to determine if taxpayers are getting value for money on government aircraft.

On Wednesday, when opposition members pointed out it’s against government policy for Redford to fly her daughter on government planes, she said it’s time to change the rules to reflect that “you have a premier who has a 12-year-old daughter.”

Mason said Redford is holding up her being a working mom to ignore rules that don’t work for her.

“We’ve heard from a lot of working mothers that they resent it very much,” he said.

“They struggle to balance work and family. They do not have the luxury of government airplanes to bring them back from Palm Springs. They don’t have the ability to change the rules to suit themselves.

“I think it’s actually created more resentment than sympathy.” "


I'd probably get impeached in less than a year, for flying the plane around every day .
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She should be able to fly around with family while on government business, if the rule changes. Maybe it should.

If it's against the rules, as the opposition says, then she was wrong to break the rule .

But she shouldn't have more than 26 letter writers......ok, maybe one extra for Y, in case I is home sick....
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Porn Stars and Politicians should fly on their own aircraft as they can cause such a nightmare at normal airports ,Security and people gawking at them saying things like "where have I seen you before " and " are you someone famous " and my all time favourite heard at the Shell in YVR " Can I get your autograph "

Thank god for curtains on small airplanes :)
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You know...I wonder how many of us would willingly accept the job, the responsibility, and stress of premier of a province. All while experiencing non-stop criticism, most of it fairly meaningless.

I know it doesn't appeal to me, I'm not tough enough!
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It's funny the most right leaning bible thumping people always get caught with hands in piggy bank, with hookers, or drugs. Some people will fall for anything....empty words. I'm not saying she is but this is a province where people would believe this if they could.


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Dash-Ate wrote:It's funny the most right leaning bible thumping people always get caught with hands in piggy bank, with hookers, or drugs.
Wow. Simply Wow.
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5x5 wrote:
Dash-Ate wrote:It's funny the most right leaning bible thumping people always get caught with hands in piggy bank, with hookers, or drugs.
Wow. Simply Wow.

What? do you want us to list several "prominent good Christians" caught up in bad stuff...I can think of 6-8 right off the top of my head.
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