And still, CBSA agents are exempt from security screening

[teacher]

And still, CBSA agents are exempt from security screening at airports because they are more trust worthy than flight crew.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1938185

[Pop n Fresh]

It would make this scam easier.

[guyfullofrage]

And still, CBSA agents are exempt from security screening at airports because they are more trust worthy than flight crew.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1938185

Are you actually suggesting that CBSA officers should go through screening? Should airport police also be screened? Who then should screen the screeners? I guess the aircrew could do that......

[2namelt]

If flight crew have to be screened, everybody should have to be screened. There are others not on the screening order that seem to be exempt as well. Who has a more vested interest in the safety of the flight than the pilots?

[guyfullofrage]

If flight crew have to be screened, everybody should have to be screened. There are others not on the screening order that seem to be exempt as well. Who has a more vested interest in the safety of the flight than the pilots?

Sounds good... Clearly pilots have the most vested interest.. Get out there ....Work the X-ray .... Dig through some dirty laundry......then out to the cockpit........

Perhaps we can get that American pilot that brought his gun with him to Canada after obviously bypassing screening to do some instructing.....

[2namelt]

The screeners already screen each other. I'm just saying if there are going to be exceptions then we should be one of them.

[BTD]

It nice to see them bypass a search going into the domestic side to get their Tim's. I seem to remember the yyz raic course saying something about the right and the need before using the bypass.

Meanwhile we are all in line after having pushed the magic button.

[Stu Pidasso]

And still, CBSA agents are exempt from security screening at airports because they are more trust worthy than flight crew.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1938185

Are you actually suggesting that CBSA officers should go through screening? Should airport police also be screened? Who then should screen the screeners? I guess the aircrew could do that......

You do understand that "Pilots" actually fly the "Airplane?" With 70,000 kilos of JP4, I don't need 110 ml of toothpaste to do harm.

Then again, the monkeys do run the zoo!

[shamrock104]

If the job is being done properly there should be no exemptions but lets face it most of us know its a joke. We could perhaps take a few lessons from El Al security.

[Jean-Luc Monette]

Are we, as pilots, seriously still debating this?

[teacher]

And still, CBSA agents are exempt from security screening at airports because they are more trust worthy than flight crew.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1938185

Are you actually suggesting that CBSA officers should go through screening? Should airport police also be screened? Who then should screen the screeners? I guess the aircrew could do that......

Yes I am. Who's to say they do not have non issued weapons on their person to be handed off on the secure side. If I can't be trusted to not hijack my own plane or anyone else's than buddy scanning passports shouldn't be either.

5 months to become a customs agent, and 2 years or more to be a pilot. Usually 5+ before you end up working at a major airport. 'Nuff said.

[shamrock104]

Without getting into the politics of training times for staff regardless of who is passing through security, if its to be taken seriously and not the joke it is then each and every person going airside needs to be scanned. What we have in place right now is a smoke screen to keep the "average" traveller feeling somewhat secure. Slightly off topic but on most Commercial flights I have taken in the last few years I have noticed open cockpit doors even on short hops, how soon we forget.

[mbav8r]

Shamrock104, that is a very serious claim to make and if what you say is true there are some very serious violations of the CARS going on. How many flight? How long were these doors open? What airlines are in question? Is this a complete exaggeration of what actually took place?
There are protocols for opening the door inflight and most follow that to the letter, so please by all means, back up your claim with actual evidence or refrain from accusing pilots of forgetting what happened September 11, 2001.

[frozen solid]

Shamrock104, that is a very serious claim to make and if what you say is true there are some very serious violations of the CARS going on. How many flight? How long were these doors open? What airlines are in question? Is this a complete exaggeration of what actually took place?
There are protocols for opening the door inflight and most follow that to the letter, so please by all means, back up your claim with actual evidence or refrain from accusing pilots of forgetting what happened September 11, 2001.

Settle down. Sometimes I go for several hours at a time without thinking about September 11th, believe it or not.

Maybe Shamrock DID see an open door or two, and isn't just trying to insult you and your "brother" pilots.

shheesh

[Beach 200]

I was going thru the domestic screening in Terminal 1 at YYZ the other day. Got the red arrow, so I did my thing and stripped down for the metal detector.

In comes TRANSPORT CANADA. Shouting "Transport Canada" holding up his badge and walking straight thru without stepping on the selection mat.
Of all people, they tell me I have to be screened if selected but they don't. Why is that. I mentioned to the screening people that he should be in line with the rest of us, but she told me Transport Canada has exempted themselves. They say we get screened and so should they. This happened at around 9pm at night. I doubt he was on official Transport Canada business and heading off to do a ride or line check and just flying home as a regular business passenger. Shame shame.

[frozen solid]

The screeners themselves should be the FIRST to be screened. Every day before work. I can't think of a better way to smuggle stuff into the airport than to get a job like this. The application questionnaire is either a joke, or else they actually are conducting racial profiling in Canada, because it focusses on past misdemeanours, verifiable associations and where you or your family and spouse may or may not have been born, and who your parents are. For any of this information to raise a red flag (legally) you have to have a past. Any number of would-be terrorists or mischief-makers have a totally innocuous past until they commit their first crime. So why is it difficult to imagine a putative bad-apple getting his start as a CATSA agent on the basis of the fact that he never did anything wrong before?

This security shit just won't work unless EVERY SINGLE PERSON who goes through that door is thoroughly shaken down. And even then, every aeroplane in the whole sky is going to have two or three people on board who have the total ability to kill everyone else on board or to crash that plane into whatever they like, and it doesn't matter how few bottles of shampoo and swiss-army knives are on board, or how many businessmen, small children, grandmas, and cripples were forced to go through a rape-scanner or crotch-grope, either.

Might as well have NO security, if they can't provide TOTAL security. If I was a security "professional" I would be looking at the security personnel themselves as the avenue via which we are going to have the next big world-shaking act of terrorism.

[boxcut]

My personal feeling is that all the security we have at airports is just "Security Theatre." It looks good, but it's just entertainment to sooth our minds, it's not actually effective.

Israeli security experts have examined our procedures (and those of the United States) and basically laughed at them, and the utter uselessness of our security apparatus.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2009/ ... urity.html

[complexintentions]

Hmmm as someone with a CBSA member in the family I have to say that I would trust him over pretty much any pilot I've ever met.

This sounds more like jealousy - that Customs get to bypass an annoyance that we don't - than a real problem.

And the Transport guy...really, does anyone believe we keep them around for anything but entertainment value? They have zero interest in oversight anymore. How relevant are regulators in a self-regulating industry?

[teacher]

I was going thru the domestic screening in Terminal 1 at YYZ the other day. Got the red arrow, so I did my thing and stripped down for the metal detector.

In comes TRANSPORT CANADA. Shouting "Transport Canada" holding up his badge and walking straight thru without stepping on the selection mat.
Of all people, they tell me I have to be screened if selected but they don't. Why is that. I mentioned to the screening people that he should be in line with the rest of us, but she told me Transport Canada has exempted themselves. They say we get screened and so should they. This happened at around 9pm at night. I doubt he was on official Transport Canada business and heading off to do a ride or line check and just flying home as a regular business passenger. Shame shame.

My point exactly. Who's to say ANYONE on the exempt list is more secure than flight crew. All get screened or none. It's either secure or it's not.

[teacher]

Hmmm as someone with a CBSA member in the family I have to say that I would trust him over pretty much any pilot I've ever met.

This sounds more like jealousy - that Customs get to bypass an annoyance that we don't - than a real problem.

And the Transport guy...really, does anyone believe we keep them around for anything but entertainment value? They have zero interest in oversight anymore. How relevant are regulators in a self-regulating industry?

Jealous? You bet!! But more than that I am insulted that some easy badge to get is worth more than my ATPL which took YEARS to achieve.

Aside from my personal feelings on the subject I do not feel secure that ANYONE without direct control of the aircraft is exempt from screening.