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Training funding

#1 Post by rspencer38 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:20 am

I know this was asked before but I cannot seem to find the post...

What options are available for funding the unpaid portion of your training? From my understanding Canada Student Loans is not an option but I could use RRSP. Are there any other options? If you have been through training, what did you do?
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Re: Training funding

#2 Post by s1yx » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:19 pm

A note on the RRSP side of things, Nav Canada training isn't qualifying education under Canada's Lifelong Learning Program (LLP) that allows you to withdraw from your RRSP tax free. You can withdraw from the RRSP if necessary, but you will be taxed at the time of withdrawl.
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Re: Training funding

#3 Post by rspencer38 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:37 pm

Are you sure about that? I have read on this forum and others that individuals have been successful in withdrawing from RRSP LLLP.
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Re: Training funding

#4 Post by s1yx » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:46 pm

It may have changed in the past few years, but I spoke with the CRA directly in December (as I was interested in the same thing), and they advised that it would not qualify for tax-free withdrawl.
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Re: Training funding

#5 Post by rspencer38 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:55 pm

Interesting, I'll call CRA to see what they say.
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Re: Training funding

#6 Post by rspencer38 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:23 am

I called CRA and it appears you are correct. Although interestingly they told me they could not confirm for sure and to check with Nav Canada.
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Re: Training funding

#7 Post by YYZSaabGuy » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:55 am

rspencer38 wrote:I called CRA and it appears you are correct. Although interestingly they told me they could not confirm for sure and to check with Nav Canada.
That's....interesting, for lack of a better word. Clowns.
I wonder if NavCanada defers to CRA on airspace classification or crew licensing issues.
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Re: Training funding

#8 Post by vince79 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:37 am

Complicated enough... In order to be eligible for LLP, the educational institution has to be approved by CRA. Nav Canada is in the list there:

http://tools.canlearn.ca/cslgs-scpse/cl ... om-name=on

So i guess it's possible, in regards of these informations:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/tpcs ... t-eng.html

Good luck ! :)
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Re: Training funding

#9 Post by rspencer38 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:01 am

Great... even more confusing! hahah thanks
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Re: Training funding

#10 Post by SkyMik » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:23 am

Hey everyone, been reading these forums a long time, but this is my first post!

I have a follow up question that may be stupid, but after reading this thread, I have some concerns about the NavCanada ATS training costs.

I recently got invited to a NavCanada assessment which i'm prepping for at the moment - based on the information on the TakeCharge website, I was under the impression that training "tuition" including books, sims, and supplies were covered by NavCanada, with the exception of examination fees.

Please correct me if i'm wrong, and if possible, where I can find the correct training costs!

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Re: Training funding

#11 Post by TA/RA » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:30 pm

You hare responsible to pay NavCanada the tuition prior to course start if you are selected.
I may be a little off but my tuition for IFR was approximately $4000. It is less for VFR.
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Re: Training funding

#12 Post by Legacy14 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:35 pm

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Re: Training funding

#13 Post by SkyMik » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:53 pm

FSS airport: $1000
https://takecharge.navcanada.ca/career- ... st-airport

FSS at FIC: $1000
https://takecharge.navcanada.ca/career- ... ialist-fic

VFR: $2500
https://takecharge.navcanada.ca/career- ... controller

IFR: $3500
https://takecharge.navcanada.ca/career- ... controller

Note that it says "+ tax" on the Nav Canada site

Thank you for the info - much appreciated! I don't know how I missed that on their website!

I noticed the training duration for IFR is 13-26 months; am I to assume this is based on ones study habits, ability to digest the information, and first-time round passes on examinations? Or is it more so based on class sizes, instruction availability, holidays, etc?

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Re: Training funding

#14 Post by s1yx » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:03 pm

During my ACC tour I asked what accounted for the variability in the course duration and was told it's almost exclusively people being CT'd that makes a course shorter. Other than that the different specialties (for IFR) have slightly different durations depending on how complex they are.
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Re: Training funding

#15 Post by SkyMik » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:20 pm

s1yx wrote:During my ACC tour I asked what accounted for the variability in the course duration and was told it's almost exclusively people being CT'd that makes a course shorter. Other than that the different specialties (for IFR) have slightly different durations depending on how complex they are.
Sorry, noob here... CT'd?

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Re: Training funding

#16 Post by W0XOF » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:02 pm

Ceased Training (released from training).
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Re: Training funding

#17 Post by s1yx » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:02 pm

Cease training, cut in other words :).
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Re: Training funding

#18 Post by SkyMik » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:51 pm

Ah, thanks for the clarification!

Here's hoping for a shorter training period! Getting to Phase 2 (paid training) as quick as possible would be nice!
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Re: Training funding

#19 Post by Braun » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:52 am

s1yx wrote:During my ACC tour I asked what accounted for the variability in the course duration and was told it's almost exclusively people being CT'd that makes a course shorter. Other than that the different specialties (for IFR) have slightly different durations depending on how complex they are.
I don't see how CT affects course length. The course length varies depending on the structure of the training plan which is developped specifically for each speciality. The fact that some people on a given course will not change the length of your course. You will go through the same amount of sim time if you are 2 or 10. Maybe, if the sim is full, that could slightly change the length but nothing drastic.

I'd say the Generic/Speciality course length is pretty the same length from course to course, what changed is the on the job training because that is based on your performance alone.
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Re: Training funding

#20 Post by sklasz » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:38 am

Simulation is really the only time a CT can impact the length of the course. For instance just as an example, 4 students, 4 runs per day, 100 total runs for the course= 100 days, half way 2 students get CT'd what would have taken 50 days to complete now only takes 25, 5 weeks off the course.
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Re: Training funding

#21 Post by Braun » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:13 am

sklasz wrote:Simulation is really the only time a CT can impact the length of the course. For instance just as an example, 4 students, 4 runs per day, 100 total runs for the course= 100 days, half way 2 students get CT'd what would have taken 50 days to complete now only takes 25, 5 weeks off the course.
Yes and no, in our sim we have up to 6 positions so we don't have huge issues. The majority of the time everyone does 4 runs per day which is the max for us.
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Re: Training funding

#22 Post by sklasz » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:56 am

We have six as well, but with multiple courses combined with PERF, development airspace changes etc. it's just not feasible to be able to assign one node per student. Terminal is about the quickest for us because they have a requirement to run with 4 nodes. Generally here you can expect 1-2 runs per day there are some exceptions depending on class size and number of other courses.
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Re: Training funding

#23 Post by Braun » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:50 pm

Wow, that's very different than us! Thanks for the info!
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