Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

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Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#1 Post by cinarm » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:18 am

What advise would be helpful for anyone who had been ct'd and would like further employment with the company and possibly the chance for a re-course?
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#2 Post by S-hady » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:39 pm

what does ct'd means?
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#3 Post by Braun » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:20 pm

Cease training, in other words your training as an ATC or FSS didn't work out.
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#4 Post by S-hady » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:49 am

Thanks...this is some scary process of selection i tell you!!!
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#5 Post by Mayor_McCheese » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:08 pm

S-hady wrote:Thanks...this is some scary process of selection i tell you!!!

I wouldn't say scary, but patience will be your best friend.
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#6 Post by Illya Kuryakin » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:27 pm

Braun wrote:Cease training, in other words your training as an ATC or FSS didn't work out.
Also means protect OT.
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#7 Post by Lloyd YWG FIC » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:36 pm

Illya Kuryakin wrote:
Also means protect OT.
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I've never heard of this happening, nor have I heard discussion of it, in the FSS world.

As for the original question. Some ATC trainees take a shot at the FSS world with the intention of getting more aviation experience and then trying ATC again in the future.
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#8 Post by Braun » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:26 pm

Illya Kuryakin wrote:
Braun wrote:Cease training, in other words your training as an ATC or FSS didn't work out.
Also means protect OT.
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Such BS honestly.
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#9 Post by Married a Canadian » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:24 am

Also means protect OT.
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Yawn! Another one with full insight. These opinions usually come from the other side or from someone who has been CTd.

There is no proof that this exists within either NAV Canada or NATS (my previous). Training is documented and a trainee receives progress reports and regular updates from the OJIs. You are either doing well or you aren't. In 19 years I could count on one hand the number of students that have been CT'd for anything other than not being able to perform the job to the level required. Those that weren't had nothing to do with the amount of overtime available.
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#10 Post by Mayor_McCheese » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:19 am

Married a Canadian wrote:
Also means protect OT.
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Yawn! Another one with full insight. These opinions usually come from the other side or from someone who has been CTd.

There is no proof that this exists within either NAV Canada or NATS (my previous). Training is documented and a trainee receives progress reports and regular updates from the OJIs. You are either doing well or you aren't. In 19 years I could count on one hand the number of students that have been CT'd for anything other than not being able to perform the job to the level required. Those that weren't had nothing to do with the amount of overtime available.
I completely agree. With the amount of people involved in training, it is impossible for 1 OJI to CT a trainee. So unless there was a conspiracy in an entire unit, or specialty (which would become clear pretty quickly) which involved falsified training records that showed poor performance that didn't exist in order to satisfy the training team (which consists of several people not in the unit or specialty) it would be all but impossible.
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Re: Advise for ct'd students from the atc course

#11 Post by TheSteamingPile » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:10 pm

I agree with the above posters. So many specialties (at least in the YYZ ACC) are so desperate for manpower (or womanpower for that matter) that a CT results from either an innability to do the job or a severely crippling character flaw.

To OP as someone not yet CT'd but on the fringe, if you find the magic formula, PM me.
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