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Re: Squawk Ident

#26 Post by ahramin » Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:43 pm

I have always just idented and teach same, never had a complaint. That doesn't mean it's correct though, maybe I'll start saying my callsign at the same time.

CpnCrunch, as long as your flight plan has been tagged up correctly with the ats unit you are dealing with then yes, they see your callsign top of your target's data block. It's fairly common however for the flight planning system in Pacific Region to drop the ball somewhere, even when you have filed a flight plan exactly the way they specify. I have many times assumed that the new controller after a handoff knew who I was and where I was going only to discover they had no info on me.
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Re: Squawk Ident

#27 Post by blue thunder » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:27 pm

Helicopter guy in Calgary here. I've only squawked ident when asked, no response. After being asked to squawk, these guys are so busy talking to others that it takes a while for them to say I am identified. Maybe they get to to know me, but that's the way I handle it. Like others have said, we have our unique code, when we push that button, they know who we are!
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Re: Squawk Ident

#28 Post by AirFrame » Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:26 pm

digits_ wrote:
AirFrame wrote:CAR's require acknowledgement of instructions. They don't require verbal acknowledgement of instructions.
If you are instructed to climb, do you just climb or do you read back the instruction as well?
Honestly, it would depend how busy the frequency was. On a quiet day i'd acknowledge because the start of a climb may just be me staying at the same altitude but with poor altitude control. Also as someone pointed out the altitude takes a while to change on the scope. IDENT shows up PDQ, I understand.

On a busy day, no, I wouldn't acknowledge... I'd start my climb a little steeper to make it clear i'm in the climb, and leave the freq open for other communications.
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Re: Squawk Ident

#29 Post by outflying8 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:04 am

Thought I would chime in, this seems to be different around the globe, for example, my father who is a pilot for WestJet just had the ATC in London tell him that they dont confirm ident, they just give them the instruction, the pilot complies, and if not, the controller re-confirms why the ident sqwak wasn't completed. Different practices it seems....
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Re: Squawk Ident

#30 Post by cyeg66 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:24 pm

outflying8 wrote:Thought I would chime in, this seems to be different around the globe, for example, my father who is a pilot for WestJet just had the ATC in London tell him that they dont confirm ident, they just give them the instruction, the pilot complies, and if not, the controller re-confirms why the ident sqwak wasn't completed. Different practices it seems....
Interesting. I wouldn't mind that practice, honestly. I'm all about efficient radio use, though, whereas others treat the frequency as though they're a DJ and all you pilots are their adoring fans. The less speaking, the better. Particularly when it's busy as hell, I can focus more on my sequencing and shitty vectoring. :mrgreen:

Honestly, if you verbally acknowledge identing, I might actually take a second to (diplomatically) ask you not to do that in the future.
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Re: Squawk Ident

#31 Post by Big Pistons Forever » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:21 pm

If it is not busy and you are flying along with a burning question in your mind just ask the controller who is working you.

A caveat to the above. The controller may be working multiple sectors so even if your freq is not busy the controller could be, so I suggest you start the conversation with an initial short call "ABC , question"

If the controller is busy he will give you a polite brush off or tell you he will need a bit of time before he can answer your question, but usually they are happy to help you out.

Like any radio call be brief and to the point with your query

Over the years I have had numerous little points of procedure cleared up on the spot, not to mention a couple of free beers from the other guy/gal beside when I was right and they were wrong. :goodman: :D
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Re: Squawk Ident

#32 Post by Braun » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:14 pm

Big Pistons Forever wrote:If it is not busy and you are flying along with a burning question in your mind just ask the controller who is working you.

A caveat to the above. The controller may be working multiple sectors so even if your freq is not busy the controller could be, so I suggest you start the conversation with an initial short call "ABC , question"

If the controller is busy he will give you a polite brush off or tell you he will need a bit of time before he can answer your question, but usually they are happy to help you out.

Like any radio call be brief and to the point with your query

Over the years I have had numerous little points of procedure cleared up on the spot, not to mention a couple of free beers from the other guy/gal beside when I was right and they were wrong. :goodman: :D
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Re: Squawk Ident

#33 Post by Married a Canadian » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:48 pm

WestJet just had the ATC in London tell him that they don't confirm ident
As an IFR terminal controller who also happens to have worked in the UK...when I say "squawk ident" all I want is to see the ident...don't need a read back. If the callsign/correlated code on my radar screen flashes when I ask ...that is all that is needed for me.
I also agree with cyeg66...why waste R/T time with a pointless transmission. To the person that compared it to a climb instruction....Please!!! One action makes a little flash on my radar to confirm your Mode A, and even if you don't do it...in a terminal environment you correlate anyway!....the other action is a tool to separate aircraft from other aircraft where I need to know you heard the correct altitude. Which one is more important in the basic ATC sense?

On departure from YYZ we need a passing altitude to verify your mode C...so although you don't need to ident..we will ask for an altitude if you don't say anything.
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