Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#26 Post by Saxub » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:20 am

Sure some salty people here. If one of my trainees bought me a beer or a bottle of wine after a successful PPC I'd happily accept and think nothing of it. Why make a big deal out of it? They are trying to do something nice for you and acknowledging the fact you trained them well. Say thank you and move on.
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#27 Post by Lloyd YWG FIC » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:01 pm

I don't think anyone is being salty or are making a big deal of this subject but then I have a tendency to read the posts as if we were sitting in a lunch room having a conversation. Sure, some ribbing and gentle mocking take place but it isn't personal. How could it be, most everyone here is anonymous. Having said that, one of my nicknames at work was "Dark Cloud". I guess I got a tad bit cantankerous towards the end. I apologize if any were/are offended by what I posted.

I'm fairly confident that if a successful trainee in the CYWG FIC went to any other OJI qualified person to inquire as to an appropriate gift, they would be told that it is not necessary ten times out of ten. They might suggest a box of donuts or cookies for the unit, but I can't imagine any of the folks I worked with suggesting a gift. I would be disappointed if they did.
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#28 Post by Married a Canadian » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:58 pm

Don't consider myself salty...

Original poster asked a question, was given a response...expressed surprise at response...and I expressed a further opinion afterwards. Whole point of an internet forum is you don`t have to agree...I have never had a problem with that..especially in this case because as you correctly say...it is not really a big deal.
I don`t think it is necessary or required to do what is suggested in this thread....others are free to disagree.....my reasons are based on where I have worked and how I view the ATC salary and OJI description. No saltiness there....just personal opinion.
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#29 Post by DanJ » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:18 pm

It isn't about not being necessary, it's as if some of you guys are making it sound like it's not allowed, or at least, not a good idea. Neither of which, the OP actually was asking about.
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#30 Post by Saxub » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:47 pm

Lloyd YWG FIC wrote:I don't think anyone is being salty or are making a big deal of this subject but then I have a tendency to read the posts as if we were sitting in a lunch room having a conversation. Sure, some ribbing and gentle mocking take place but it isn't personal. How could it be, most everyone here is anonymous. Having said that, one of my nicknames at work was "Dark Cloud". I guess I got a tad bit cantankerous towards the end. I apologize if any were/are offended by what I posted.

I'm fairly confident that if a successful trainee in the CYWG FIC went to any other OJI qualified person to inquire as to an appropriate gift, they would be told that it is not necessary ten times out of ten. They might suggest a box of donuts or cookies for the unit, but I can't imagine any of the folks I worked with suggesting a gift. I would be disappointed if they did.
Fair enough.. from an outside perspective reading this thread I was kinda shocked to see how many people had such a strong opinion on this specific subject. Really at the end of the day, say thanks and move on. Consider it a nice gesture and that's all it is.
DanJ wrote:It isn't about not being necessary, it's as if some of you guys are making it sound like it's not allowed, or at least, not a good idea. Neither of which, the OP actually was asking about.
Yeah, that's kinda how I read it. Guy just wanted to do something nice.

OP, if you know they drink... as some people in this profession don't, just buy a nice bottle of wine with a small card to say thanks. OR take them out for a beer, and make that the start of a working friendship outside of "instructor/student" mentality.
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#31 Post by Lloyd YWG FIC » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:53 pm

DanJ wrote: it's as if some of you guys are making it sound like it's not allowed, or at least, not a good idea.
If anyone got that impression from my comments I apologize. I never intended to make it seem it was verboten. I personally would not want a gift but I'd choke down a donut or three with a large black Dark Roast if someone were to have brought it in to work.
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#32 Post by RexKrammer » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:01 pm

Braun wrote: The beer call is in MATS...look it up. :lol: I really enjoy the beer call idea, mostly because it reunites people a few times a year and is usually a really good time.
I'm all for a beer call and getting together as a unit. I just found it strange that controllers that have been making 3-4 times if not more the trainee's annual salary are demanding the newly qualified trainee end up spending $100's, if not in the $1000 range for everyone's drinks and food. Why can't people socialise for drinks and share the cost evenly?
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#33 Post by RunwayWindAltimer » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:31 am

I didn't get my OJI a "checkout gift" but did give him a bottle of scotch at the following Christmas. He's the best instructor/teacher I've had in anything I've done and I didn't think twice about showing appreciation for his ability and effort as an OJI.

Get your OJI a gift if you want to, don't be dissuaded by people on here. It's not expected or required but the gesture will be appreciated. Also consider that your OJI makes good money and you've been on a training salary. There is no need to get anything expensive (certainly not 17 hours of pay, as stated earlier here).
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#34 Post by Braun » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:45 am

RunwayWindAltimer wrote:I didn't get my OJI a "checkout gift" but did give him a bottle of scotch at the following Christmas. He's the best instructor/teacher I've had in anything I've done and I didn't think twice about showing appreciation for his ability and effort as an OJI.

Get your OJI a gift if you want to, don't be dissuaded by people on here. It's not expected or required but the gesture will be appreciated. Also consider that your OJI makes good money and you've been on a training salary. There is no need to get anything expensive (certainly not 17 hours of pay, as stated earlier here).
I don't see people try to dissuade it. He asked a question and it is the general consensus that nothing was expected/required. What people decide to do as an individual is up to them. Just because people say it isn't necessary doesn't mean they are trying to dissuade the person from doing it.
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Re: Etiquette with gift to OJI upon checkout

#35 Post by TA/RA » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:14 pm

I just stumbled across this thread now. I qualified IFR 2 years ago and hearing the words "here is your license" what by far the biggest sense of relief that I have ever had. I consider my self a good trainee but not the easiest to train and I was on the ropes a few times. My OJIs worked tirelessly to ensure that I had the tools to succeed and helped scrape me off the floor when I hit training rock bottom. I qualified on a Tuesday and on my way home stopped at the liquor store and bought 4 bottles of scotch and a bottle of wine for around $80/each. Yes it was a $500 bill but in the bigger picture of a career that was made possible by my awesome training staff it was a small drop in the bucket. I cam to work the next day with gifts for my trainers and a card for every person in my specialty thanking them for their support and for making me feel welcome.

Most importantly, don't for get to show your appreciation to the TSS (Training simulation specialists) they are just as important as the instructors in the school.
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