If the guy in the seat was training then they should be made very aware of this fact and needs to brush up on how an aircraft performs. If it wasn't a trainee then hang your head in shame.
What kind of airplane are you flying?
My plane will slow down in a decent, we just put it in flight idle and weeee, we slow right down. just kiddin
On there behalf, when they say slow down, it doesn't mean get there now, pull your power back and raise the nose a couple degrees and you should slow to requested soon enough. usually ywg guys are pretty good, I personally have not had a problem going into winnipeg myself so.
hope your day is better.
To our atc folks on here, feel free to ignore this post.
Sit down. Put your feet up.
Obviously you feel very stongly about whatever situation you feel you encountered that lead to you, allbeit anonymously and far from constructively, reacting like this.
From your username, would be a safe guess that you're a Jazz driver? Perhaps if you gave us a little more information as to why you feel this way.
Well I have cooled down a little since my first post, but the comments stand. On first contact to be instructed to reduce speed then the very next transmission is telling me to expedite is not good controlling.Then to be told to speed up again a couple of minutes later was the icing ont he cake.Very poor IMO.The frequency was not busy yet the controller sounded like he was making it so.I know this sounds like a slamfest but it really was appalling and perhaps I should have called the centre.Was it a trainee?
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First off, I don't understand what qualification you personally have to determine the quality of controlling. That being said, where I work, Speed control is used every time in YYZ. Not only may you get reduced in speed but also get vectored for the sequence, decent, and increased in IAS again to fill gaps in sequencing...GIDDY UP. If you can't multi-task then you shouldn't be flying that type.
Here is a simple example. Three aircraft going towards the same arrival bedpost. Currently YOU are number one BASED ON DISTANCE FROM THE BEDPOST AT THAT TIME. Number 2 aircraft is approaching from a different angle to the bedpost, therefore getting better winds and increased G/S. You are told to reduce by 20 kts. for spacing and decent (To get into thicker air, thus further reducing G/S over the distance). Meanwhile number 2 is told to increase 300kts or better for sequencing. Number 3 is told to maintain current speed and begin decent as well. Thus not to lose spacing with you. You then in turn get a short vector as well for in trail spacing. Once the required is acheived a turn towards the bedpost is intiated AND AN INCREASE IN SPEED TO MATCH THE AIRCRAFT AHEAD, so that number 3 doesn't chew up your butt.
This is a very simple example. Put 6 or 7 arrivals coming from different angles and lots of speed changes and headings are initiated to acheive the required in trail sequencing. This is done every single minute of the day. I don't understand your problem with YWG terminal. Yes it is harder to reduce speed once you initiate decent, but it is necessary at times. Heaven forbid that you may have to turn while doing this as well!!! I would hate to hear your comments then.
Lets not even talk about departure then. Have you never been speed restricted in the climb, and then told to accelerate? Your post is nonesense!!
"JZA#$&^ maintian FL240 expedite through FL270 slow to 250kts. when able". I personally would never issue a speed reduction and then tell an aircraft to expedite decent.
I must have misunderstood your original post. In this specific example I agree with you. Hope that helps. Remember though, we all make mistakes. It is up to us WORKING TOGETHER, to keep it safe.
I haven't heard anything about a driver calling into the centre about this, so I'm guessing you didn't do anything further about it. Was there anything else that made you feel you had to come on here and vent in this manner?
(Christ, I feel I sound like a therapist )
I've just given up bitching about vectors etc, here....just gets everybody pissed off. Too many take it as a personal attack on their manhood. However, I did get this really silly vector the other day in YQT...but not from you, and I'm just wondering...........cheers!
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As to YQT, I haven't started my training there.......yet. I take it you all out there know that YXE and YQT are all going to be combined into the "Winnipeg Terminal" speciality.
See if you told me 3 years ago I would have been working airspace in Saskatoon, I would have laughed and asked "Where the f*ck is that!!?!?"
I asked the same thing when they offered me the job at Thunder BaySee if you told me 3 years ago I would have been working airspace in Saskatoon, I would have laughed and asked "Where the f*ck is that!!?!?"
Still, I'm here now. No complaints about "the English guy" yet....there's still time!
Hey Jerricho, how's it hanging? See you've not started on YQT yet. Now that will be fun. 6 in the circuit last night.....the UK it ain't!!!!