This happened the other night, not a big deal by any means but it's been in my head since.
We filed medivac in YWG 2 nights ago, now when I file as medivac its a priority(code 4, get outta the way). Now when were filed as medivac we take presidence over everything else do we not?, this night the arrival controller even though we filed medivac asked if we were priority, to which we are, I filed it that way.
Now why would I be asked that? I found it weird.
Do companies actually file medivac and aren't actually priority or what?
There was a thread on this back in the day, and it seems that in Manitoba you'll have many non-priority medevacs, hence there you will get asked. While in Ontario its generally only for code 4 calls and you will less likely be asked. I thought it was a Medcom thing (vs whatever the equivalent is in Manitoba) for the difference in standard.
I do not give someone calling themselves a "priority" medevac any more or less priority than a 'simple' medevac for this reason. In both cases, you will be afforded the priority as laid out in ATC manops:
1) aircraft in a state of emergency
2) aircraft that appears to be in a state of emergency
3) Medevac flights
4) Rescue flights (SAR)
5) PM, Queen, Heads of State
6) Regular flights
Yes, we are based outta ontariohydro wrote:Are you normally based out of Ontario?
Also Medcom doesn't determine wether were medivac or not, they tell us if is code 1,2,3 or 4, BLS, or ALS. When we file medivac if were code 3 or 4, our guys will usually ask the medics if we are priority on this call and than file accordingly as to what they tell us.
In an odd way, yes.flyinhigh wrote:Do companies actually file medivac and aren't actually priority or what?
In Ontario we have these orange government run medivac helicopters buzzing around from place to place. For convienience they are given a squawk code that they keep, and use all the time. Any controller who has his radar filtered down to ground level as the norm, knows the idents they use. Although they show the same tag information on radar, sometimes they're medivac, sometimes they're not. Sometimes they say "medivac", sometimes they don't, and are.
We don't get any indication other than Status-Medevac on our flight progress strips, hence our asking.
As far as ATC is concerned, it is redundant to call yourself a medevac if your specific flight does not require priority. If you do not require priority service for the patient/flight, do not call yourself a medevac.
The entire point of the term/status is rendered useless otherwise.
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I rarely file medevac unless given a heads up by the medics. Upgrading my status to medevac is as easy as telling ATC and they have always accomodated me (including getting permission to break the 200kt speed limit and even offering to shut down departures off Pearson while we went by). I've upgraded my status at any point as required from calling for clearance to anywhere enroute.
That is definitely the correct way to do it. Unless you know for a fact at the time of filing that the flight will require medevac priority, you should wait. Otherwise ATC is making planning changes, possibly delaying a/c, changing departure sequences, etc, etc, only to find out the priority is not required.Flying Low wrote:Although I understand spongebobs logic I don't really agree with it. If this were done with land ambulances then they would go everywhere with lights and sirens except for the most mundane patients.
I rarely file medevac unless given a heads up by the medics. Upgrading my status to medevac is as easy as telling ATC...
If you need to upgrade at any point during the flight, or when calling up and looking for clearance, it is as simple as saying so to ATC. Obviously if you`ve already been sequenced as number 6 by terminal when you make that decision, it`ll be too late, but otherwise you`ll be accomodated.
In the meantime, Flying Low`s siren-and-lights-everywhere analogy is a very good one.
Point is....if you are not a priority medevac....dont file as one! If you do, you should buy the controller, and the crews of the aircraft he vectored, several beers!
A term used to request Air Traffic Service priority handling
for a medical evacuation flight, based on a medical
emergency in the transport of patients, organ donors,
organs or other urgently needed lifesaving medical
material. The term is to be used on flight plans and if a
pilot determines that a priority is required in
Notice it states:
"based on a medical emergency"
If it isn't an emergency, you shouldn't be using the term MEDEVAC.
It also states:
"is to be used on flight plans and if a pilot determines
that a priority is required in radiotelephony communications."
The most important part of this paragraph is "and....priority is required". Not only does the aircraft have to be transporting a patient or other medical material, priority must also be required, otherwise the term MEDEVAC should not be used. If the word "and" was changed to "or" then you could rightly call yourself MEDEVAC any time you were transporting patients.
It's not hard to upgrade your status. All that is required is:
Pilot: "Center ABC"
ATC: "ABC go ahead"
Pilot: "Center ABC is now a MEDEVAC"
It ain't rocket science.
Many pilots always file medevac because when doing so you do not need to go through the arrival gates and going out you do not have to miss them. Direct everywhere is pretty handy especially for the old guys who only know how to push the D button .