National HR Plan

aklinz · Post by **aklinz** » Mon May 25, 2009 3:21 pm

Just started hearing some details from our HR rep here in CZEG. Seems like about 135 FSS have bid on the National Bid; almost 50 for CYWH alone ! Looks like lots of interest. Anyone hear if they are going to post "Elligible Lists" like in previous bids ? Another question raised is seeing that this is ONE bid (with four choices) can one withdraw any of one's four choices once lists are posted ? Or especially, is anyone hearing about a timeline for letters of offer ? Good luck to all those who bid !
Andrew Klinzmann

sigmet77 · Post by **sigmet77** » Tue May 26, 2009 6:55 am

Andrew, those are questions you should ask your regional VP or HR/LR rep in YEG. Asking questions that are apparently important to a group of annonymous people is really not the best way to go about it. I could give you some bullsh*t answer and how are you to know if I'm telling the truth. Go through the proper channels and shave yourself a lot of trouble.

aklinz · Post by **aklinz** » Wed May 27, 2009 3:01 pm

Thanks, Sigmet, but I already have. E-Mails sent to both Derek and Jim from a number of us, and from the shop steward as well. Have also contacted HR and manager as well. (Thought that what this forum was about, you know ? Sharing information.....) Sometimes another region's VP or steward might have more timely information.
Andrew Klinzmann

Zatopec · Post by **Zatopec** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:46 pm

The national bid is online again. Why is that? Do they start all over again? Why would they post it again?

bop · Post by **bop** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:07 pm

Check the updates on the unions website, new contract for the details of the seniority bid, therefore a chance to change your choices. Read carefully cause there's some interesting catches to it from what i can see.

bop · Post by **bop** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:10 pm

If i'm not mistaken, there are a few people who posted earlier on this thread who predicted this situation horribly wrong. A good reminder of not to listen to everything you hear.

Mohun · Post by **Mohun** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:31 pm

Zatopec wrote:The national bid is online again. Why is that? Do they start all over again? Why would they post it again?

It's an extension to the deadline as the deal was just signed.

natej · Post by **natej** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:41 am

Any other FSS out there who wrote the ATC test, and are quietly waiting for a VFR course to start?

aklinz · Post by **aklinz** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:28 am

We have two FSS currently on an IFR course here in the Edmonton ACC. They both say they have heard there are no plans for any VFR courses here in the Edmonton FIR in the near future...

Andrew Klinzmann

GilletteNorth · Post by **GilletteNorth** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:52 pm

Andrew: Another question raised is seeing that this is ONE bid (with four choices) can one withdraw any of one's four choices once lists are posted ? Or especially, is anyone hearing about a timeline for letters of offer ? Good luck to all those who bid !

I'm not sure why you would want to withdraw your choices. If you are serious about moving you made your choices... wisely... right? (wink) I believe what they tried to do by giving everyone 4 choices was to avoid a situation where a senior union member puts in for one spot and doesn't get it in the massive competition (CYWH for example) and then doesn't have a chance to go elsewhere. I can't believe they haven't announced the results for the bids yet as it seems to be a simple process to look at the seniority list (which can't have changed much if at all overthe last few years) and compare it to everyone who bid. Take the top person in seniority, match him/her to the top choice in their list, move to next senior guy and so on etc. If there is more than one person bidding on a site, offer it to the most senior person quicky, get their decision and move on fast. They have to get the offers going so they can quickly determine which spots will be taken by whom and cross those people/locations off the lists. How hard can it really be?

I haven't heard of any timeline for offers yet and I'm actually disappointed at how slow this seems to be going. Maybe Human Resources has gone into shock over how many changes in staff locations there will be in such a 'relatively' short time LOL. Plus they have to do a second massive bid (maybe) after the first round is sorted.

aklinz · Post by **aklinz** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:32 pm

Hey there, GilletteNorth.
Yeah, the delays are very frustrating. My manager (today) told us he had until next Thursday (!) to send in Anniversary date info on each bidder. Next Thursday ? He has also received a call asking when those bidders would be release-able... sigh... more delays. I really think the company has bitten off more than they can chew and are shell-shocked at the massive response this bid has generated. At any rate, let's hope we will start to get some info by next Monday (July 13)
Good luck to all those who bid !
Andrew Klinzmann

GilletteNorth · Post by **GilletteNorth** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:30 pm

I get to quote myself woohoo!!

It's almost always just a question of good luck on the timing. One month you bid and accept a job opening for one of your better sites, next month they post a position opening in your dream location... too late for you to get it. It happens.

When NAVCANADA posted that a 'national bid' was going to occur, especially when it involved so many sites, myself and several others believed that meant all FSS could bid. I don't recall seeing anything in their posts stating that restrictions would still be applied. I only wanted to bid on one site and put in for it. Even though it turns out I was a bit down in the list in seniority to have taken the spot anyway, I was a bit peturbed at the fact they removed anyone with a 2 or 3 year checkout restriction. Turns out I was a few weeks short of the 3 years after checkout to have even bothered bidding. Guess I'll have to see what's left over once the dust settles.

aviatrixfss · Post by **aviatrixfss** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:50 am

I didn't bother to bid on anything, even though I am at an "affected" site. Six people from this site put in bids, but only 2 of them ended up on the list.

Apparently quite a few people were left off the list for no reason (they had enough time and/or were at affected sites.)
I saw your name in there a few times aklinz. Hope you get what you want.

aklinz · Post by **aklinz** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:11 pm

Thanks Aviatrix! Hoping like hell; but there is name edited ahead of everyone, who has 35 years in this August (!) Why didn't he take a buyout, or a terminal move ?

aklinz · Post by **aklinz** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:46 pm

Just got word from our HR person in CZEG. The seniority bid lists are going to be modified (AGAIN !). That is what has been causing delays on issuing of letters of offer. She couldn't elaborate, but some new extra names are to be added to the lists. No word or estimate on when the new, improved lists will be released. Still no word on when letters of offer are to follow.... Hurry up and wait !

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:28 am

There was a mix up on the list and some people at my station were left off. 2 of the 5 people here were not on the list! Only one would have been ineligible due to time at station. No idea what other stations were like but i imagine there was a few other mistakes. Regardless i guess we'll have to wait and see how it affects things.

Zatopec · Post by **Zatopec** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:26 pm

So, are there letters of offer out to anyone yet?

Can't wait to find out. I'm third on a list where two spots are available.

aklinz · Post by **aklinz** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:38 pm

Hey Zatopec ! No, no letters of offer (here, anyway). I am constantly questioning our HR rep here in the Edmonton ACC. Different story every time, I'm afraid. Latest is that Staffing (in Ottawa) is going to meet on Monday Aug 10, to discuss when and IF letters will be offered.....
IF ??? Seems like someone came back from vacation and isn't too thrilled with the costs involved with this whole "project" ! Stay tuned...
Andrew Klinzmann

Zatopec · Post by **Zatopec** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:03 pm

Game on, first letters of offer are out!!

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:32 am

Hmm i just checked my email while i was at work and didnt;see anything. Guess i'm not in the first wavee....if at all!!

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