Nav Canada & safety concerns
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Nav Canada & safety concerns
Controllers, FSS, and pilots: Ever reported a safety concern to Nav Canada and been stonewalled, or had it go nowhere?
Do tell here, or PM me.
Do tell here, or PM me.
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And who might you be with 1 post under your belt?
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Does arguing with the NOTAM office about retarded standards count?
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You'd be amazed at what doesn't make the news.
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Why don't you amaze us then, I don't see what you are trying to get at here.
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Well here's one that didn't make the news:Braun wrote:Why don't you amaze us then, I don't see what you are trying to get at here.
The other day, two airplanes entered our sector and would have come within two miles of each other! I'm just a trainee, but the licensed controller beside me did _nothing_ other than writing a W on the strips. Nothing. I reported this as a safety concern to my instructor, and he totally stonewalled me. Just said, whadja gonna do bout that. I - by myself - had to turn one plane 10 degrees to miss the near collision. And I'm pretty sure one of them flew over an elementary school and hospital somewhere along its route.
And amazingly, nothing made the news!
Edit: Apparently it wasn't as obvious as I intended, but this was an entirely facetious response to the original request.
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Were they VFR or IFR??????? I've seen enough very close calls swept under the carpet to make you sick and where possible, the blame put on the pilot after he had been lead down the primrose path...while the OJI was playing with the computer and his student left to fumble the ball.
I'm very happy that I fired "the company".
I'm very happy that I fired "the company".
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yrp wrote:Well here's one that didn't make the news:Braun wrote:Why don't you amaze us then, I don't see what you are trying to get at here.
The other day, two airplanes entered our sector and would have come within two miles of each other! I'm just a trainee, but the licensed controller beside me did _nothing_ other than writing a W on the strips. Nothing. I reported this as a safety concern to my instructor, and he totally stonewalled me. Just said, whadja gonna do bout that. I - by myself - had to turn one plane 10 degrees to miss the near collision. And I'm pretty sure one of them flew over an elementary school and hospital somewhere along its route.
And amazingly, nothing made the news!
LOL. If you only had to turn him 10 degrees I can see why the controller only put 'w's on the board....because you had all day to solve the conflict! Why would that make the news? your doing your job...
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So why would this make the news? As for your instructor that is a different story.
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So apparently a few people didn't realize my post was just a joke - ie solving a very simple conflict described in the overdramatized way the media does aviation reporting. I figured the hospital and orphanarium would have made it obvious, but guess not. Sorry to those offended, confused, or simply unamused.
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Ah I see, I assumed that post was written by the author of the thread and I didn't even bother to read the name of the poster! lol good one
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If you "miss" a "near collision".....does that mean they actually hit?
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Reminds me of George Carlin. "When two planes almost collide they call it a near miss. IT'S A NEAR HIT!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFW6NHbWX0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFW6NHbWX0E
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I'm talking about incidents that were swept, either immediately, or after the fact once NC Ottawa took a look at it.
PM me if you're a controller that's seen this, and/or crew who never received an adequate explanation for obvious ATC errors where evasive action was required.
PM me if you're a controller that's seen this, and/or crew who never received an adequate explanation for obvious ATC errors where evasive action was required.
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Hmmmm.
I would like an adequate explanation of what you're on about. You're not perchance a journo?
I would like an adequate explanation of what you're on about. You're not perchance a journo?
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Sorry to poke my head in here where many will feel I don't belong, but ... the thread linked below would seem to indicate that - journalist or not - reality_check may have a valid concern.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=52966
Why should NavCanada be immune from the same "whistleblower" problems that permeate the industry?
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=52966
Why should NavCanada be immune from the same "whistleblower" problems that permeate the industry?
Former Advocate for Floatplane Safety
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Not NavCan, but here's a fella from the US ATC system ... some of you have likely heard of him over the years:
C R A S H - Coalition Revealing the Aviation Safety Hoax
Secret History of Airline Disasters−And Their Many Enablers
C R A S H - Coalition Revealing the Aviation Safety Hoax
Secret History of Airline Disasters−And Their Many Enablers
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The question has been asked of the poster a few times and has yet to be answered here: "Who are you?" Perhaps if he/she answered with details of who they are and what their agenda is it would lend some credibility to their initial post.Widow wrote:Sorry to poke my head in here where many will feel I don't belong, but ... the thread linked below would seem to indicate that - journalist or not - reality_check may have a valid concern.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=52966
Why should NavCanada be immune from the same "whistleblower" problems that permeate the industry?
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There is no issue of safety cover up at NavCanada, this is ridiculous.Widow wrote: Why should NavCanada be immune from the same "whistleblower" problems that permeate the industry?
Move on, seriously, this pisses me off. How hard we have trained and continue to train to be accused of this, it verges on libel. I am tempted to "whistleblow" this blatent attempt at defamation to my employer, who in fact is very serious about safety.