Medevacs halted at 7 BC hospital helipads

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Medevacs halted at 7 BC hospital helipads

#1 Post by North Shore » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:52 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3723596
He said the problem stems from an interpretation of the performance standards in the manufacturers manual.

That manual suggests the Sikorsky helicopters don't have the performance capacity demanded by Transport Canada to land at certain helipads, classified as H-1, which have the strictest standards because they are surrounded by other buildings among other things..
A dispute over (I assume) single engine performance? Anyone in the know?
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#2 Post by single_swine_herder » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:29 pm

As was explained to me by a TC helo guy, the machine needs to be able to shoot the approach on one engine and climb away within a certain gradient and routing...... not really any different than for fixed wing capability.

It is designed to minimize the likelihood the helo will end up in some intersection or a person's front yard in the event of a power loss.

Visual segment routing corridors may also be incorporated in procedures.
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#3 Post by all_ramped_up » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:46 pm

This just happened in April in Nova Scotia.

http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/regulation-b ... -1.2880642

I can't remember what happened after, whether they're still using the parking lot and Point Pleasant Park or whether they got permission to use the pads later.
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#4 Post by Heliian » Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:21 am

It's quite simple, if your helicopter is not capable of meeting the criteria then you need a new helicopter. The biggest argument so far is that "we've always done it this way". Again, surprise surprise, it comes down to money, all parties are going to have to break out the chequebook to come in line with the standards. The old 76's just don't have the jam but there are several other options available. Money is all you need.
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#5 Post by single_swine_herder » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:32 am

Well defined Helian.

The defence to progress in the industry I always found amazing is when someone is actually stupid enough to connect their tongue to their brain and say "We've never killed anybody," as if that is the only criteria to hold an AOC and transport the public.

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#6 Post by All Sides » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:18 am

[quote="Heliian"]It's quite simple, if your helicopter is not capable of meeting the criteria then you need a new helicopter. The biggest argument so far is that "we've always done it this way". Again, surprise surprise, it comes down to money, all parties are going to have to break out the chequebook to come in line with the standards. The old 76's just don't have the jam but there are several other options available. Money is all you need.[/quote]

The question is: Why did it take 9 years to enforce? The next thing is, will the provinces buck up to pay for a CAT A performance machine, my guess is no. So that leaves no rotary wing medevac capability in BC and NS that meet H1 performance (which is not CAT A performance anyways). We are left with the what ifs, not unlike a single engine aircraft taking off in cities all over Canada everyday.
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#7 Post by single_swine_herder » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:55 pm

This was likely the last of a series of steps because the previous education, consultations, notice of proposed regulatory changes, the CARAC process, briefings, cajoling, threats, begging, cautions, etc failed to obtain any positive, measurable change to meet criteria which is there to protect Joe and Jane Schmoe in the public.

I doubt the Rotary wing POI for these operators was swinging in a hammock being fed peeled grapes by dancing girls for 9 years until being sent out of the office with direction to shut down the healthcare system.

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#8 Post by cf100mk5 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:53 am

I live very near to Children's Hospital in Vancouver. Several weeks ago a black notar helicopter did two approaches(dont know if it actually landed or hover turned and flew out). And then came back several days later and landed/shut-down. Anyone know anything about this helicopter?
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#10 Post by cf100mk5 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:30 am

Yep that was it. Thanks. Much quieter than the S-76. However the S-76 is a huge improvement(noise wise) over the Bell 222 that use to come in here.

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