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Video: Don't overload your light aircraft on a hot day

#1 Post by invertedattitude » Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:39 pm

I don't know they did that, but sure looks like it, witness says a downwind take-off as well.

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#2 Post by altiplano » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:09 pm

Cameron Park

FAA Identifier: O61
Elevation: 1286 ft. / 392 m (estimated)

Rwy 13/31

Dimensions: 4051 x 50 ft. / 1235 x 15 m

Surface: asphalt, in good condition

Obstructions 13: 40 ft. tree, 410 ft. from runway, 125 ft. left of centerline, 10:1 slope to clear +4' TERRAIN 100' RIGHT.
RWY 13 APCH RATIO 5:1 TO DSPLCD THLD OVER 65 FT TREE 350 FT FROM DSPLCD THRESHOLD. +65 FT TREE, 150 FT FROM EOR, 125 FT LEFT OF RWY CENTERLINE

Obstructions 31: 240 ft. tree, 2190 ft. from runway, 300 ft. right of centerline, 9:1 slope to clear TREE 1190' FROM THR. RY 31 +60 FT TREE 130 FT LEFT 250 FT FM EOR. APCH RATIO 29:1 TO DSPLCD THLD. +8 FT GND 200 FT FM EOR
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#3 Post by northwings » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:11 pm

That is absolutely terrible. My heart goes out to all involved.
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#4 Post by invertedattitude » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:49 pm

Reading from another forum they departed with an 8kt tailwind, and the temperature was 37C

Pilot didn't help himself at all it seems :(
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#5 Post by invertedattitude » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:52 pm

Anyone here with experience on type?
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#6 Post by N2 » Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:23 pm

Not to play back seat pilot but if not airborne by a certain point I would have aborted while there was still room to come to a safe stop.

Clearly this pilot pushed the aircraft and those on board into a situation that need not have happened.
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#7 Post by bater » Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:39 pm

As tempting as it is to pull the nose higher when trees are approaching, Vx is where you want the airspeed, perfect example in this case IMO.
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#8 Post by oldtimer » Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:40 pm

Having only a few hours in a Banana many moons ago , I cannot speak with absolute authority but I beleave this is a classic case of getting behind the power curve with flight characteristics very similar to almost all high performance aircraft. Quote "the engine was sputtering" sounds much like a typical overly rich mixture in a fuel injected engine which will severly limit horsepower. The day was hot but the Bonanza should have flown out of the 4000 ft airstrip but add rich mixture, heat, tailwind and a nose high attitude and it got the best of the beast.
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#9 Post by Ray-Ban » Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:28 pm

Curious if the plane hadn't flipped, everyone might of walked away? Too sad
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#10 Post by dhc-t2 » Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:53 pm

I also don't see a whole lot of flap either. I assume if this is indeed the case, would not have helped matters.
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#11 Post by . ._ » Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:18 pm

I'd bet money the guy didn't look in the POH for the take off distance at gross for an 8 kt tailwind and 37 degrees.

I think he learned his lesson.

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#12 Post by .300 Weatherby Mag » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:18 am

Sad to see another accident.

Notice there is always a retard who says they heard the engine sputter on these news stories. It could be a 747 and some tool would come out saying he heard a sputter.
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#13 Post by Demosthenes » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:31 am

I love how the media always says "stalled" in there should be laws against media saying any details about an accient until an avation professional is there.

But I have to agree with others saying this was a bad decision that led into an unfortunate situation.

I thoughts go out to the families and friends of the casualties.

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#14 Post by fatdumbandlazy » Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:18 am

My favorite eye witness is the lady who made it sound like the airplane broke up before it crashed. They have a complete video of the airplane from basically the start of its take off roll to where it comes to rest and they put this lady on.

No wonder I don't trust the media. I really hope the reporter waited until the next of kin was notified at least before airing this footage. We all know it's not difficult to tell who's airplane that is when we don't even know them. The reporter pretty much only stopped short of giving names and that's probably because he didn't know them. It would be pretty traumatizing to be watching the news and see your loved one perish right before your eyes with out being the wiser.

It's sad to see poor decision making taking the life of a passenger when the one responsible basically walks away.
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#15 Post by unknowingly upsidedown » Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:01 am

fatdumbandlazy wrote:
It's sad to see poor decision making taking the life of a passenger when the one responsible basically walks away.
ya, I'm sure his decisions that lead to the death of someone else and injuries to others won't haunt him for the rest of his life. Emotional scars can hurt worse the physical ones no?
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#16 Post by fatdumbandlazy » Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:48 pm

Survivors have councilling and medicine to cure their problems. And while they are getting their treatment they get to spend time with their family and friends and get to enjoy parts of their remaining days. The deceased don't get that chance. Maybe you could say the pilot's reward is that they get to live with this for the rest of their life for as long as it might become.[/quote]
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#17 Post by 2R » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:05 pm

The film crew was there to investigate another accident the same day .

I did not observe any windsocks alongside the runway or any wind indicators or flags .The wind can always change quicker than some observers notice.Hence the need for highly visable windsocks !!!!!!!!

A runway like that should have at least two windsocks on it .One of the last checks before applying the power or letting go of the rubber band.

Always best to take the downhill runway and get rid of the ground drag asap.

Strike one -Up hill ground run
Strike two --Tailwind
Strike three --hot and high
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#18 Post by Alex YCV » Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:02 pm

..and if I understand correctly, strike 4, didn't abort when the speed wasn't there for proper lift.
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