GIVCE! wrote:And this, my friends, is why a "College of Pilots" or "global Solution" will NEVER work. Some one will have to GIVE UP SOMETHING for others to GET AHEAD.
Yup. That's the way the system works. Start over at the bottom at a new company. I didn't create it.
GIVCE! wrote:It would have to all be based on DOH in the INDUSTRY...not just ONE SPECIFIC company. ie: meaning ANYONE with 6years 'seniority' at West Jet could theoreticaly go to Air Canada and start at the SIX YEAR PAY SCALE. sure the 'junior guys/gals' with LESS than 6 years would scream bloody murder BUT you have accounted for THAT PILOTS EXPERIENCE OF SIX YEARS. That is how the PLUMBERS/ELCTRICIANS do it!!! ^$1!!!!
While that certainly has merit. That isn't the system in place.
GIVCE! wrote:JAZZ AND AC are a STARTING POINT of conversation. what if it was a WEST JET/Transat flow through? a Transat/Cargo jet flow through? a SKY/Georgian flow through? a Sunwing/Air Canada flow through? would you be so arrogant as to think anyones YEARS OF SERVICE at these companies is worth NOTHING?????
Of course that experience has value. But it isn't the system we have in place.
GIVCE! wrote:Give your EGO a shake...I can screw up a taxi clearance with the best of the AC/WestJet/Sunwing/ Transat Pilots.....I can still laugh at myself. we are all HUMAN! NOBODY IS BETTER than ANYONE ELSE!!!! No matter what colour your cool-aid is!!!
shear arrogant views sometimes....sheesh.
Arrogant? Where did I make any comment indicating I thought I was better than someone else? I like you, have to work within the system we are in. That's it. Nothing else. No emotion. It is simply what it is until it changes. If it ever changes.
GIVCE! wrote:again...THIS ATTITUDE IS PREVELENT AND IS WHY MUTAL RESPECT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!
what an abysmal position....Maybe one day I'll get to 'start over ' at 45...LOL
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Hey. I'm not opposed to your way of thinking. But it is simply not the way our system currently works. Expecting it to work some other way all of a sudden.......????
I quit my good paying/lifestyle job living in the city I desired. I took a job at AC not even knowing where I would be based. The pay was less than half what I was making before. The vacation half and in the end had to move my family half way across this country. My wife found a new job but at less pay as well. Why? Because she was starting over as well. With the 60-70% drop in pay in the first year the debt has been piling up.
So why would any sane person do this to themselves?
Because that is the system that we work within. If you want it? It is what you have to do. I don't make the rules. I'd have loved to slide over to AC at 10 year pay.
With that said I agree with you. Our profession has a system in place that discounts experience. On top of that this industry is very volatile. The two mix together to place people in very poor positions. I could be next. There are no guarantees.
But until the system changes? It is our reality. Complaining about the system won't get you anywhere. Doing things to position yourself better within the system will.
In fact from my perspective the system is trending even worse. A new hire at Encore now has to start over at year 1 pay four times while progressing to mainline CA. Starting at year 1 has now found its way into the Rouge Captain spots as well.