Worth the move?

Discuss topics relating to Jazz Aviation LP.

Moderators: ahramin, sky's the limit, Sulako, North Shore

Message
Author
xlwing
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 18
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:37 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#26 Post by xlwing » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:54 am

By no means are those wages justified. Somewhere like Georgian pays out 57000 with per diems and 11 GDOs for starting left seat on 1900 (704). Starting right seat jazz sounds like it's 45000 and 12+ GDOs. That extra day adds value, say another $4000/year (36*9*12). So that's 49000 and then pension (wouldn't really see unless staying long haul). Perhaps Georgian might be better in the short run as it will pay more?
---------- ADS -----------

biatch
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:43 am

Re: Worth the move?

#27 Post by biatch » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:43 am

Georgian over Jazz? That would be a serious error in career management. Those who have come to Jazz with intentions of going elsewhere have done so with remarkable success. Those who chose to stay have enjoyed great working conditions and benefits.
---------- ADS -----------

newcomer
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 61
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:23 am

Re: Worth the move?

#28 Post by newcomer » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:03 am

Pourdu_fun wrote:
newcomer wrote:
xlwing wrote:Not a bad way to retire ;)
Upgrades still looking around 5 years?
Wouldn't the profit share and pension make up for the lower wages? Plus in contrast to say 11 GDOs, having 12-14/month adds value to your paycheck as well?
Yeah, because you get/pay a mortgage, buy food, etc... With a pension plan and days off :roll:
Stop trying to justify poor wages and the race to the bottom.
Dont apply Buddy!
Not planning to, "buddy"!
The race to the bottom is not for me, you can be the winner.
---------- ADS -----------

flyer 1492
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 445
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:55 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#29 Post by flyer 1492 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:34 am

Heard thru the grapevine late last week that Jazz is planning a new hire course every month starting in September.
---------- ADS -----------

TrailerParkBoy
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 205
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:48 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#30 Post by TrailerParkBoy » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:36 am

Jazz is short 80 pilots system wide, hence the highest blocking average ever. This New Busines Model our VPFO has informed us about guarantees minimum number of crews and maximum days of work during the 2 nicest months of the year!

We can thank those who help this new model succeed by picking up WDOS...but hey, that's what our competitors do, so why not!
---------- ADS -----------

xlwing
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 18
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:37 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#31 Post by xlwing » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:28 pm

How is that gonna affect a new hire's bid?
---------- ADS -----------

Kosiw
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 593
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:12 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#32 Post by Kosiw » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:26 am

flyer 1492 wrote:Heard thru the grapevine late last week that Jazz is planning a new hire course every month starting in September.
How many will Jazz hire going forward into this fall/winter, and how many are in each new gs course?

Do all new hires end up on reserve to start once online?
---------- ADS -----------
Gravity always wins

TrailerParkBoy
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 205
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:48 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#33 Post by TrailerParkBoy » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:16 am

Jazz ground schools will continue July thru October. AC has informed Jazz the requirements for more pilots in July and in the fall.

Reserve isn't so bad...unless you are a commuter. However, you will most likely be called to fly or be able to pick up flying in open so you don't have to worry about sitting in a hotel or crash pad waiting to work!
---------- ADS -----------

User avatar
Inverted2
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1874
Joined: Tue Mar 23, 2004 7:46 am
Location: Ontario

Re: Worth the move?

#34 Post by Inverted2 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:21 am

And you likely won't be on reserve more than a month with all the upgrades/Air Canada movement. When I got hired I had 3 weeks of reserve, a month of crappy stand ups and then a regular schedule after that.
---------- ADS -----------

TG
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1604
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:32 am
Location: Around

Re: Worth the move?

#35 Post by TG » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:40 am

xlwing wrote:Somewhere like Georgian pays out 57000 with per diems
I know, you know that but perdiem is not a revenue, it's an expense!
Unless you want it accounted into your income taxes (they do it in UK apparently)

Any job where you count on your perdiem to meet the ends, you have a serious budgeting or salary issue.
---------- ADS -----------

Kosiw
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 593
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:12 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#36 Post by Kosiw » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:43 am

What western cities are overnighters during pairings?
---------- ADS -----------
Gravity always wins

Oxi
Rank 5
Rank 5
Posts: 374
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:33 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#37 Post by Oxi » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:20 am

Depends on the aircraft but most every bit city.
---------- ADS -----------

streets ahead
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:24 am

Re: Worth the move?

#38 Post by streets ahead » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:32 pm

Loaded question depending on base and equipment but....

YQR, YXE, YEG, YMM, YQU, YLW, YKA YXS,YXJ, YYJ, YCD, PDX, SEA, YZF, YXT.

Classic does most of those except Sask, NWT and YMM.

Q400 Does more Sask, YZF, YMM, YEG. But they are expanding their routes continually.

RJ is more Domestic across the country than regional.
---------- ADS -----------

PositiveRate27
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 513
Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:27 am

Re: Worth the move?

#39 Post by PositiveRate27 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:39 pm

What eastern US cities does Jazz overnight in?
---------- ADS -----------

rxl
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 451
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:17 am
Location: Terminal 4

Re: Worth the move?

#40 Post by rxl » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:03 am

DCA, BOS, ATL, JFK, PIT, CMH, CLE, BWI.
---------- ADS -----------

PositiveRate27
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 513
Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:27 am

Re: Worth the move?

#41 Post by PositiveRate27 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:01 am

Are those all RJ overnights? Do the Dash's go down south?

Thanks for the input :)

PR
---------- ADS -----------

flyer 1492
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 445
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:55 pm

Re: Worth the move?

#42 Post by flyer 1492 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:59 pm

IAH
---------- ADS -----------

rxl
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 451
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:17 am
Location: Terminal 4

Re: Worth the move?

#43 Post by rxl » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:19 pm

IAH is a 705 overnight. I don't generally think of Houston TX as being in the eastern USA.

BWI, CLE, CMH and PIT are Classic Dash overnights while ATL and DCA are CRJ/705 only. BOS is mostly CRJ but historically has had some Classic overnights as well. JFK is currently a CRJ/705 standup.

The farthest south the Classic Dash goes in the east would be CMH/BWI. We did at one time do YYZ-RIC.
---------- ADS -----------

Post Reply

Return to “Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express”