EMB-175 NG's to replace CRJ705???

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EMB-175 NG's to replace CRJ705???

#1 Post by crj_705 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:59 am

Could it happen???

In order to consolidate the passenger experience at the ACExpress carrier level could Chorus Aviation be forced to trade off all of the CRJ705 aircraft and replace them with some bright new shiny EMB 175NG's? It would fall in line with all of the US carriers as most have up-gauged their fleets to include this type. Makes logical sense now that Jazz is getting rid of the CRJ200 fleet to GGN. Could it include CRJ705 fleet as well???




Canada's Chorus Aviation eyes foreign leasing opportunities

According to Randell, Chorus Aviation is considering diversifying away from its current all-Bombardier (BBA, Montréal Trudeau) fleet to include Embraer (São José dos Campos) and Avions de Transport Régional (Toulouse Blagnac) aircraft as well.

The President and Chief Executive Officer of Chorus Aviation, Joseph Randell, says his firm is considering expanding its aircraft leasing business into other countries.

In an interview with AirFinance Journal, Randell said talks with prospective clients had already commenced though nothing concrete had yet been finalized.

Currently Jazz Air (QK, Halifax) operates its fleet of twenty CRJ-200s, sixteen CRJ-705s, thirty-four Dash 8-100s, twenty-eight Dash 8-300s, and twenty-one Dash 8-400s for Air Canada Express exclusively. The firm's other subsidiary, the recently acquired Voyageur Airways (VC, Sudbury), operates seven CRJ-200s, two Q100s, and three Q300s for the United Nations Humanitarian Air Service (Brindisi).

In line with its amended Capacity Purchase Agreement (CPA) signed with Air Canada earlier this year, Chorus Aviation will transition to a mixture of larger, newer aircraft comprising Q400s and CRJ-705s while at the same time establishing a second carrier to operate its fleet of Q100s and Q300s which will ultimately be phased out. It is believed Voyageur could be used to help find suitable lessees for these aircraft once they have been retired.

Chorus established Jazz Aviation Holdings Inc. to hold all of its business interests associated with the Air Canada CPA and includes Jazz Aviation LP (Jazz), Jazz Aircraft Financing Inc. (JAFI), and Jazz Leasing Inc. (JLI). JAFI and JLI's sole purpose is to acquire and finance Q400s and related equipment, and lease them to Jazz for use in the CPA.
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Re: EMB-175 NG's to replace CRJ705???

#2 Post by hithere » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:00 am

Is this your own pure speculation or have you talked with anyone of influence? Also you notice Randell mentions ATR as well. There is zero chance he is even remotely considering that aircraft. All I see is a way to get Bombardier to lower the purchase price if a bunch of CRJ 900/705 by making them think that Chorus is contemplating other manufacturers. Standard business practice. It's really too bad that Jazz is locked into a crappy scope(76 seats and less) clause until at least 2024, because we could have put a substantial C series order in. Although mainline may yet make the order themselves. Doesnt help the Jazz pilots at all, though
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#3 Post by Oxi » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:24 am

I assume this is an article? could you please source it.
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#6 Post by Kosiw » Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:46 pm

Anyone know how the CRJ 705 compares with the EMB's in terms of economics?
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#7 Post by rudder » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:42 am

Kosiw wrote:Anyone know how the CRJ 705 compares with the EMB's in terms of economics?
Compared to the original 175, the current 705/900 is more economical and has better range/payload numbers.

However, I understand that the next gen 175 (named the E2) will close that gap significantly. Not sure what BBD has planned to improve the 900 operating costs.
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#8 Post by av8ts » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:35 am

As a passenger the Emb inside looks and feels like a bigger jet. The 705 still has that cramped rj feel.
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#9 Post by upintheair_ » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:57 am

Still rather fly a 705 vs a 200. At least in a 705 I can see out the window without having to put my head by my knees.
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#10 Post by rudder » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:00 am

av8ts wrote:As a passenger the Emb inside looks and feels like a bigger jet. The 705 still has that cramped rj feel.
Actually, because the 705/900 is an 86 seat aircraft run with 75 seats it has the highest seat pitch in class. However, as it is just a 'stretch' of a 700 vs the double bubble design of the EMB, it is still too cramped vertically and horizontally by comparison.

From a practical perspective, airlines are likely much more concerned with CASM and that is driven by the operating costs but also the price tag. Look what AC did when it reversed its division on the NEO to go with the MAX. Boeing simply offered AC a better deal.

My guess is that AC prefer the EMB but are likely more concerned with achieving lowest block hour expense. The new AC mantra seems entirely cost driven.
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Re: EMB-175 NG's to replace CRJ705???

#11 Post by Canoehead » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:43 am

rudder wrote:The new AC mantra seems entirely cost driven.
Agreed. Everything else be dammed.
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