Fleet growth 5 new Qs, 5 new 705 within the next two years.

[JoeyBarton]

Especially when the name calling jazz fellow voted a B scale for his own peers. Woww

[biatch]

There is no B scale at Jazz

[newcomer]

There is no B scale at Jazz

Yes there is. You're only kidding yourself if you don't think it's a B scale

[biatch]

The rolling of the eyes thing doesn't change the fact that you're totally wrong and/or misinformed. There is no B scale at Jazz.

[newcomer]

You can play on words all you want if it makes you feel better the fact remains that the salary of a newhire is a lot less than what it was before the new contract.

[biatch]

And salaries change with the times. There is no B scale. A new hire will attain the same salaries as pre-contract employees. I don't think you understand the term "B Scale". There is no play on words.

[cdnpilot77]

And salaries change with the times. There is no B scale. A new hire will attain the same salaries as pre-contract employees. I don't think you understand the term "B Scale". There is no play on words.

The question isn't "are they going to attain the same salaries"

it is:

"if pilot A was hired the day before the new contract and pilot B was hired the day after the new contract and both work 30years to the day at Jazz, will their earnings over the course of the 30years be the same?"

Yes or no?

[JZA Dxer]

The B scale has been blended into the current pay scale for a lot of groups. While technically there is no B scale, all the employees who were around when the B scale existed know that it is still there even though there is no A and B scale on paper.

[JZA Dxer]

On a side note Tails 422 to 434 are all going to have the 78 seat config. as per the memo I read today.

[TrailerParkBoy]

Is this 1 scale or 2?

Look carefully and see both of these scales meet up at -40!

[TrailerParkBoy]

Here are 2 more different scales! Call them what you want!

You say Table, I say Scale!

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[AirMail]

Such a roll back! Takes 5 yrs on new scale to make yr 1 on old scale

[DropTanks]

What does the Captain side look like?

[newcomer]

If it's not a B scale then I don't know what it is. But then again I am misinformed...

[AirMail]

Meanwhile regional pilots being interviewed in regards to race to the bottom be like

[Stinky]

What does the Captain side look like?

It's another "not a B scale" situation. I believe before the new contract you would be paid based on your years of service, now you start at year 1 captain pay once you upgrade even if you've been at Jazz for 10 years.

[Maxpwr]

What does the Captain side look like?

It's another "not a B scale" situation. I believe before the new contract you would be paid based on your years of service, now you start at year 1 captain pay once you upgrade even if you've been at Jazz for 10 years.

Does that apply to all new upgrades? Or only those hired after this contract?

[TrailerParkBoy]

Pay Scale for those hired Prior to Contract

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New Hire payscale

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I've never seen a pay scale where the FO makes more then a Captain!

[TrailerParkBoy]

What does the Captain side look like?

It's another "not a B scale" situation. I believe before the new contract you would be paid based on your years of service, now you start at year 1 captain pay once you upgrade even if you've been at Jazz for 10 years.

Does that apply to all new upgrades? Or only those hired after this contract?

It applies to all who would be on the B Scale (New Hire) Pay Scale.

This includes New Hires and those who signed up on the PML but turn down the AC Interview or turn down the AC job offer, including those captains who have been at Jazz for 17+ years and gets bumped off the CRJ or Q400 to fly the Classic!

[TheStig]

Time to move on. ALPA, it's Jazz members, and the airline did what needed to be done to survive. Air Canada needs its employees to be paid market rates, just that simple, this contract was a foregone conclusion the days Encore opened its doors.

I think everyone on this forum would love to see all pilots in this country earning at a minimum a 6 figure salary, and personally, I think we deserve every penny. However, it's important to look at the current environment before you start pointing fingers. If ALPA hadn't created this pay scale what do you think would have happened? If Jazz's pilots had walked off the job they would have either faced the same situation the mainline pilots did in 2012 and had an even worse contract forced upon them. More likely, they would have simply watched from the picket line as their flying was absorbed by Mainline, Sky Regional and Georgian and found themselves unemployed. Pilots at Jazz were well aware of this and voted accordingly, any of us in the same situation would have done the same, so please get off your soap boxes.