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#1 Post by comanchepilot » Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:06 am

Is GGN legitimately allowed to advertise that they have a PMA with Air Canada?

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 7&t=107795

I was under the impression that the original PMA covered Jazz pilots on the property at the time the agreement was written, and that all other CPA carriers (and Jazz pilots hired after the new contract) would be eligible for AC interviews as part of the FPMA when it was introduced.

To my knowledge this has not yet occurred, so either they're lying in the advertisement or they know something that everyone else does not...
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#2 Post by PositiveRate27 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:19 pm

Its no secret that GGN, Sky Regional and EVAS pilots as well as the remaining AC poolies have been comprising the remaining 20% of the spots available on the AC courses since the original PML was established.
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#3 Post by mbav8r » Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:34 pm

They can hire whomever they want for those 20% spots, however the fact they are dong it via a PML is a direct violation of the Jazz PML to the detriment of Jazz pilots hired after Jan 31,2015 who are getting bypassed until the original is exhausted. If they were to start taking post Jan 2015 Jazz pilots for those 20% spots, that goes against seniority and we all know seniority is everything!
The fact that AC signed a deal with Jazz pilots and then almost immediately went out and made agreements in violation of it, speaks to the integrity or should I say lack of, from the management we are dealing with. Not really sure why I'm surprised though!
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#4 Post by Rowdy » Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:11 pm

So, as someone hired post jan 2015.. you could in theory apply for that 20% ?

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#5 Post by Inverted2 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:15 pm

It all boils down to an interview. No guarantee of getting hired. 25-30% PFO rate for Jazz pilots so far.
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#6 Post by Rowdy » Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:17 pm

They plan to take only what they are required to take, hence the PFO rate ;)

I'm surprised they are allowing so many to defer dates though..
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#7 Post by fish4life » Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:44 pm

I would personally not trust the system enough to defer if I was in the position to flow through. It wouldn't be the first time something has changed. Also since I don't know exactly how it works if one were to defer their spot do they get a "place holder" seniority spot at AC as if they have been hired at that point?
If so since a union has to represent its current members would that not be something an outside hire could challenge if they get hired after the Jazz guy are paying dues to ACPA while some guy coming from a different company (jazz) isn't paying dues to ACPA?
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#8 Post by mbav8r » Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:34 pm

fish4life wrote:I would personally not trust the system enough to defer if I was in the position to flow through. It wouldn't be the first time something has changed. Also since I don't know exactly how it works if one were to defer their spot do they get a "place holder" seniority spot at AC as if they have been hired at that point?
If so since a union has to represent its current members would that not be something an outside hire could challenge if they get hired after the Jazz guy are paying dues to ACPA while some guy coming from a different company (jazz) isn't paying dues to ACPA?
Yes, it's been done before
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#9 Post by iflyroads » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:53 am

There has been atleast 3 Captains at GGN who have gone to AC in the past 6 months through their current PMA with AC
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Re: FPMA

#10 Post by rudder » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:47 am

fish4life wrote:I would personally not trust the system enough to defer if I was in the position to flow through. It wouldn't be the first time something has changed. Also since I don't know exactly how it works if one were to defer their spot do they get a "place holder" seniority spot at AC as if they have been hired at that point?
If so since a union has to represent its current members would that not be something an outside hire could challenge if they get hired after the Jazz guy are paying dues to ACPA while some guy coming from a different company (jazz) isn't paying dues to ACPA?
The hiring deferral mechanics are all articulated in an LOU that forms part of the ACPA collective agreement. There is nothing to challenge unless the assignment of seniority is inconsistent with the exception provided for in the LOU.

The ability to defer is available to both Jazz PML pilots and OTS pilots.
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#11 Post by fish4life » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:26 am

Oh ok, that makes sense then. I thought it was part of the agreement Jazz signed and not the ACPA one so that is why I saw the issues with it, if it's an ACPA LOU then it should be fine.
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