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 Post subject: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 6:16 pm 
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Couple of questions,

1. On average, how much are first year FO's bringing home each month (net income)?

2. What's the average income per month in per diems?

3. How many days off a month are new hires getting? ( I realize people are moving up in seniority quickly these days)

4. Lastly , what's the projected time these days for new hire upgrades?

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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 9:47 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:27 pm 
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Per diems are not income


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 5:21 am 
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You are right, 3$/flight hour per diem is not income.
Almost 90$/day or 1000-1300$/month net...is ;-)



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 5:25 am 
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As for the questions at hand,
I cannot say how much new hires net but contractually min days off are 12/month. Can pickup shifts on flica for overtime or wait for them to call you.
Upgrades times depends on base and progression. Once PML is exhausted (shortly) things will slow again to attrition and retirements until the fabled PML2 starts again. Mist junior capt in YYC and Yyz is under 2 years. Yul is around 4-5 years.
Hope it helps.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 10:49 am 
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Thanks for the feedback proper.


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 5:05 pm 
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I average $1000 per month perdiems and spend less than half that at work. Not only is it income, it's tax free income :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 5:56 pm 
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av8ts wrote:
I average $1000 per month perdiems and spend less than half that at work. Not only is it income, it's tax free income :lol:


This is going to become a target to CRA if pilots keep bragging about it. Let the Naysayers say nay. It's always those on the outside looking in who have the worst to say. Funny ain't it...



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 7:14 am 
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Nope,
We actually benchmarked our per diem with the Federal government rates. Don't worry, when a CRA auditor goes on a trip out of town, he/she gets 90$ for three meals...indexed.
We should all strive up, not drag the leader down. We all know who wins when that happens.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
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I work an average of 17 days a month. I'm averaging 2400/month net with no OT just from wages. So thats 13-14 off.

per diems as a block holder range from 1000-1300/month

Upgrades are seniority based. Most junior capt is YYC classic and hired nov 2014. Most junior YVR? 15years... YUL and YYZ are in the 4-5 range.

Anything else?



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:51 pm 
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Most junior captain is YYZ Q


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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 7:27 pm 
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Rowdy wrote:
I work an average of 17 days a month. I'm averaging 2400/month net with no OT just from wages. So thats 13-14 off.

per diems as a block holder range from 1000-1300/month

Upgrades are seniority based. Most junior capt is YYC classic and hired nov 2014. Most junior YVR? 15years... YUL and YYZ are in the 4-5 range.

Anything else?


I can pretty much second this, but I've never had more than 16 days. Typically 15. I also bid a commuters schedule if that makes any difference.

Just as an aside, a rsv line holder will see 18-19 days of rsv a month.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
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I get the impression the Classic guys have the most days due to the shorter flights. Seems they get about 17 days, Q guys get 15-16 and the RJ 13-15.

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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 7:48 pm 
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@skypirate. Very true. Especially out west where it's all short hops. Those YCD's and YYJ turns are a handful for minimal credit.

I bid for 3 and 4 day productive pairings.. I guess it's just the nature of the beast :wink:



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
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2400/month, but it's Sky Regional that's bringing down the industry? wow.

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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
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PROC_HDG wrote:
2400/month, but it's Sky Regional that's bringing down the industry? wow.

PROC_HDG


Don't worry. Somebody will blink once there are empty seats on initial ground-schools. After one carrier ups starting pay then they will all have to.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
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rudder wrote:
PROC_HDG wrote:
2400/month, but it's Sky Regional that's bringing down the industry? wow.

PROC_HDG


Don't worry. Somebody will blink once there are empty seats on initial ground-schools. After one carrier ups starting pay then they will all have to.


Its already happening...



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 11:56 am 
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Jazz guaranteed days off: 12 at 36$/hr or about 36000$/yr
Skyregional guaranteed days off:9 at about 43000$/yr.
Works out to be about the same pay. Throw in the pension, short term and long term disability, travel insurance, benefits, etc... Jazz is way ahead of sky, encore and Ggn.
Facts are facts.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 2:12 pm 
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proper wrote:
Jazz guaranteed days off: 12 at 36$/hr or about 36000$/yr
Skyregional guaranteed days off:9 at about 43000$/yr.
Works out to be about the same pay. Throw in the pension, short term and long term disability, travel insurance, benefits, etc... Jazz is way ahead of sky, encore and Ggn.
Facts are facts.


Nobody at Sky is working 21 days a month, except maybe the groomers.

Jazz has better work rules and a better pension, but who cares when by the time it matters it'll be just another low bottom stepping stone like the others? As for the rest of that stuff you listed, I'm pretty sure Sky, GGN and Encore all have these things.

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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 6:06 pm 
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Nope, oh and "that stuff" is about 400$/month on company dim and 350 on me. If I get hit by a bus on vacation in Mexico, not only am I evacuated (or God forbid my family) to Canada or up to 2 million$ each family member, but I will continue to collect 70% of my pay NET, and have the insurance company continue my pension contributions until my "would have been" retirement age. It is the utmost security you can have for you and your family. This is in addition to in the event of accidental death, six times your gross salary in life insurance (that's the basic plan/ if not accidental 3 times gross salary) not to mention the additional insurance you can get through ALPA. Oh wait I forgot, God forbid you do die, your wife or partner will have 20 000$ cash wired directly to cover funeral arrangements. You tell me one other company ANYWHERE that can offer that. Yes my portion is expensive (around 350$/month) but in addition to all that we get the whole free massages, treatments, vision, medical and dental. That is if I have one wife and no kids, or one wife and 12 kids.... still 350$/month.
Yeah I'm sure GGN, Sky and Encore have that. Air Canada doesn't even have that. So to each their own but there is much much much more to a Jazz career that pay and per diem... Because it was built and still is a career company for those who chose to stay or those who didn't make the AC cut.
The challenge now is to bring the new hires in line with the old pay and pension.



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 Post subject: Re: Jazz questions
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And again I know some at sky working 20 days a month. There are some skippers here, working 20 days a month pulling in over 200k, salary only. Just saying... Fly safe my friends. It's just a job, eventually it's just a job and it's life that flies right on by.


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