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Re: First year fo pay?

#26 Post by Tail-Chaser » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:38 am

iamnomaverick wrote:
I don't work like a slave, matter of fact I haven't cashed out a single overtime credit hour so far... I made 72K flying a King Air for a really good company and the take home pay was not much more than what I take home here once the tax man took his share.
Heck, I worked 3 WDOs this month and had to turn down a 4th due to CARs rest requirements. I never thought I'd ever wish that the CARs were a little less prohibitive when it came to rest in this case. Up North, I'd come home every day tired and stressed out. Here, I come home relaxed, get a good nights sleep, and can do it all again the next day no problem. It's honestly the least taxing lifestyle I have ever had. If anyone wants the extra money, it's there to be had. Even when it came to free time, I had a lot of pairings with early starts that got me back to base before 9am. Quick nap, and it would feel just like it was a day off in the first place.
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Re: First year fo pay?

#27 Post by iamnomaverick » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:56 pm

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iamnomaverick wrote:
I don't work like a slave, matter of fact I haven't cashed out a single overtime credit hour so far... I made 72K flying a King Air for a really good company and the take home pay was not much more than what I take home here once the tax man took his share.
Heck, I worked 3 WDOs this month and had to turn down a 4th due to CARs rest requirements. I never thought I'd ever wish that the CARs were a little less prohibitive when it came to rest in this case. Up North, I'd come home every day tired and stressed out. Here, I come home relaxed, get a good nights sleep, and can do it all again the next day no problem. It's honestly the least taxing lifestyle I have ever had. If anyone wants the extra money, it's there to be had. Even when it came to free time, I had a lot of pairings with early starts that got me back to base before 9am. Quick nap, and it would feel just like it was a day off in the first place.
Same here, I have a lot of free time even when I pick up and extra day of two... I have been on 3 different vacations since I started working here and have another one planned next month.
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Re: First year fo pay?

#28 Post by AirMail » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:26 am

I like how the f**ktards justify their actions. Both those who signed the race to the bottom contract and those signing up for it.

It's easy to sell the unborn while at a comfortable wage, all the while saying you're forced into it? Really? Are you that stupid? Guess we know how future contracts will transpire with lemmings voting yes. Grow some balls or get a real union that'll fight for your career.

And it's easy to say Jazz/other express carriers is the way to AC. It's not, they hire OTS too. And from what I hear it'll be more than 20% next year.
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Re: First year fo pay?

#29 Post by iamnomaverick » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:11 am

AirMail wrote:I like how the f**ktards justify their actions. Both those who signed the race to the bottom contract and those signing up for it.

It's easy to sell the unborn while at a comfortable wage, all the while saying you're forced into it? Really? Are you that stupid? Guess we know how future contracts will transpire with lemmings voting yes. Grow some balls or get a real union that'll fight for your career.

And it's easy to say Jazz/other express carriers is the way to AC. It's not, they hire OTS too. And from what I hear it'll be more than 20% next year.
We don't have to justify our actions to no one. if you need me to remind you, you don't work for Jazz so you don't really get a say in what way Jazz pilots' group vote/should have voted... Also, this thread is about salary not the contract.

For the record the current pay scale catches up to the old scale after 4 years service so Jazz is still a great career choice for those interested, and to add, upgrade times are now lower so you would make captain pay after 2-3 years instead of 8 so it evens out nicely.

As for going to AC, not everyone who comes here comes to go to AC, Many of us are planning on making Jazz a career. I will be very happy making well over 100K here while working half of the month for a great company and living in the city I want to live in but that is just me and those are MY priorities.
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Re: First year fo pay?

#30 Post by Grey_Wolf » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:45 am

For the record the current pay scale matches the old scale after 4 years service so Jazz is still a great career choice for those interested, and to add, upgrade times are now lower so you would make captain pay after 2-3 years instead of 8 so it evens out nicely.
Could someone, post said scales?
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Re: First year fo pay?

#31 Post by iamnomaverick » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:21 pm

Grey_Wolf wrote:
For the record the current pay scale matches the old scale after 4 years service so Jazz is still a great career choice for those interested, and to add, upgrade times are now lower so you would make captain pay after 2-3 years instead of 8 so it evens out nicely.
Could someone, post said scales?
I apologise I meant to say "catches up" not "matches up". As in after 4 years the annual pay increases are higher (increases by $7-8 a credit hour instead of the ~$2) annually.
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Re: First year fo pay?

#32 Post by iamnomaverick » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:21 pm

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Re: First year fo pay?

#33 Post by Grey_Wolf » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:23 pm

So ... is this the current scale (hourly rate) with 77.5 hours guaranteed?

Years - Hourly Rate / Annual Based on Mins FO
1- 37.45 / 34830
2- 38.49 / 35795
3- 39.54 / 36772
4- 41.62 / 38707
5- 48.90 / 45477
6- 55.38 / 51503
7- 61.33 / 57037
8- 63.79 / 59325
9- 66.34 / 61696
10- 68.88 / 64160
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Re: First year fo pay?

#34 Post by iamnomaverick » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:55 pm

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Re: First year fo pay?

#35 Post by Rowdy » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:00 am

Grey_Wolf wrote:So ... is this the current scale (hourly rate) with 77.5 hours guaranteed?

Years - Hourly Rate / Annual Based on Mins FO
1- 37.45 / 34830
2- 38.49 / 35795
3- 39.54 / 36772
4- 41.62 / 38707
5- 48.90 / 45477
6- 55.38 / 51503
7- 61.33 / 57037
8- 63.79 / 59325
9- 66.34 / 61696
10- 68.88 / 64160
Based on absolute bare bones minimum. The 77.5 is a minimum. You'll rarely if ever see a block that low, as such I personally haven't seen a blocking window below 79 hrs. I personally have yet to have a month where I was blocked under 82.5hrs. I averaged the year that I've been here, just for what I was blocked to (No WDO, block growth, REA etc) and its 84.5. My average month with NBG and WDO's.. 90. Thats working 15-16 days a month.
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Re: First year fo pay?

#36 Post by Grey_Wolf » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:52 pm

Thanks for the reply!

So here's a scale the depicts 85 hrs (not sure when OT triggers).

Years - Hourly Rate / Annual Based on 85 Credits (FO)
1- 37.45 / 38199
2- 38.49 / 39260
3- 39.54 / 40331
4- 41.62 / 42452
5- 48.90 / 49878
6- 55.38 / 56488
7- 61.33 / 62557
8- 63.79 / 65066
9- 66.34 / 67667
10- 68.88 / 70258
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Re: First year fo pay?

#37 Post by PositiveRate27 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:25 pm

It's been my experience that a first year FO blocking 85hrs a month can expect to have roughly $3400 deposited into their account after tax/union/benefit deductions and the addition of perdiems each month. These figures are based on a 15-16 day month.

I havent seen less than 85 rostered in the last year and my average has been noth of 88. OT kicks in after 85hrs therefore any extra flying you do is at time and a half. With perdiems a single WDO will bring in another $250ish depending on perdiem due to the length of the duty day.

These figures are not gaurantees and your view may vary depending on how you view perdiems.

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Re: First year fo pay?

#38 Post by skypirate88 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:31 pm

OT is triggered at 85 hours. You also get time and a half for doing a WDO (working day off), even if you haven't passed 85 hours. (At least I believe that's how it goes)

I know that perdiems aren't salary, but as a low seniority blockholder on the Q in YYZ, I have yet to see under $1100 for a month.
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Re: First year fo pay?

#39 Post by AirMail » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:04 pm

We don't have to justify our actions to no one. if you need me to remind you, you don't work for Jazz so you don't really get a say in what way Jazz pilots' group vote/should have voted...
well when your stupidity of actions for a lousy contract allows for the continual race to the bottom for the whole industry, I and everyone gets a say. You're going have to rub more polish on if you don't want the sh*t to stick... the don't blame me card gets old.

I'll just LOL at this
Also, this thread is about salary not the contract.
Those salary numbers should be embarrassing for you all.

However, enjoy the next contract, I'm sure your mgmt knows now they can cut deeper with yes men like you around.
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Re: First year fo pay?

#40 Post by BingBong » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:54 pm

AirMail wrote:
We don't have to justify our actions to no one. if you need me to remind you, you don't work for Jazz so you don't really get a say in what way Jazz pilots' group vote/should have voted...
well when your stupidity of actions for a lousy contract allows for the continual race to the bottom for the whole industry, I and everyone gets a say. You're going have to rub more polish on if you don't want the sh*t to stick... the don't blame me card gets old.

I'll just LOL at this
Also, this thread is about salary not the contract.
Those salary numbers should be embarrassing for you all.

However, enjoy the next contract, I'm sure your mgmt knows now they can cut deeper with yes men like you around.
Fall is around the corner...the black flies should start to die down soon :goodman:
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Re: First year fo pay?

#41 Post by jetav8r » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:41 am

Hi all

What is top pay for FO? Q and CRJ
What is Starting Pay for Captain Q and CRJ
What is top pay for Captain Q and CRJ

Thanks

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Re: First year fo pay?

#42 Post by jetav8r » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:49 am

disregard found it
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