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Re: New hire bids

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How long is the initial GS ?
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Caterpillar wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:22 pm How long is the initial GS ?
2 weeks in YYZ for CIT and CBT
2 weeks of SIM in either YYZ or YVR

So with days off its approx. 5weeks start to finish with no training delays
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The equipment bid just came out and looks like Direct Entry Captain Vacancies in YYZ DH8 & YVR Q400
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KenoraPilot wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:12 pm The equipment bid just came out and looks like Direct Entry Captain Vacancies in YYZ DH8 & YVR Q400
And now also YULQ400
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av8ts wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:05 am
KenoraPilot wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:12 pm The equipment bid just came out and looks like Direct Entry Captain Vacancies in YYZ DH8 & YVR Q400
And now also YULQ400
Yup 40+ DEC CA Vacancies in YVR, YYZ and YUL.
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KenoraPilot wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:17 am
av8ts wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:05 am
KenoraPilot wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:12 pm The equipment bid just came out and looks like Direct Entry Captain Vacancies in YYZ DH8 & YVR Q400
And now also YULQ400
Yup 40+ DEC CA Vacancies in YVR, YYZ and YUL.
Should we be expecting a DEC posting sometime soon?
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200 First Officers openings
47 Captain openings.
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Ironic.

Jazz absorbs GGN and less than 1 month later will be posting the same DEC ads that GGN had been posting for the last 5 years.
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Babar350 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:30 am
KenoraPilot wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:17 am
av8ts wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:05 am

And now also YULQ400
Yup 40+ DEC CA Vacancies in YVR, YYZ and YUL.
Should we be expecting a DEC posting sometime soon?
Well here's hoping the union does what they say they would, and grind the company hard for pay raises. That was the whole excuse given in the last contract, that they would need DEC and when that happened the union would say no unless big raises. Here's my guess... they change their mind like they always do.
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ASSuming ~ 20? qualified internal candidates, ya gots to wonder wether the HR monkeys have seen this far out, and have some decent talent coming thru their hiring pipeline?
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Of course they knew this was coming.

Doesn't help that it's impossible for people to get scheduled with a LC for PICUS, and people are loosing PICUS they had done already because of time limits.

This is just the beginning.

I'm calling it, within 5 years JAZZ will be wrapped back up into AC with the list stapled to the bottom with everyone seat protected, and all new AC hires will start by flying RJs and Q400's at the 'Regional' payrate and any new Captains needed will all be from AC who were on flat pay and most of which already came from those planes at Jazz. I'll happily go fly a CRJ or Q400 around for a few more years in the left seat while accruing my AC seniority. I've already done it, after-all.

AC didn't invest 100 million dollars into Chorus and put someone on the board for no reason....
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Any news on march GS is filled? Anyone got called in?
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derateNO wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:46 pm Doesn't help that it's impossible for people to get scheduled with a LC for PICUS, and people are loosing PICUS they had done already because of time limits.
Oh, noes! Losing F/O time, as opposed to real PIC that 'they' can't take away from you.. :goodman:
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North Shore wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:49 pm
derateNO wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:46 pm Doesn't help that it's impossible for people to get scheduled with a LC for PICUS, and people are loosing PICUS they had done already because of time limits.
Oh, noes! Losing F/O time, as opposed to real PIC that 'they' can't take away from you.. :goodman:
I still think 705 multi-crew operation FO time is more valuable and rewarding than renting a 150 at night and doing circuits to get your hours 🤷‍♂️
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Chips&Pops wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:15 pm
North Shore wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:49 pm
derateNO wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:46 pm Doesn't help that it's impossible for people to get scheduled with a LC for PICUS, and people are loosing PICUS they had done already because of time limits.
Oh, noes! Losing F/O time, as opposed to real PIC that 'they' can't take away from you.. :goodman:
I still think 705 multi-crew operation FO time is more valuable and rewarding than renting a 150 at night and doing circuits to get your hours 🤷‍♂️
It is.

But hey to each their own.

I got my PIC time flying up north and it was a good time. If someone wants to go right to Jazz with 200 hours and spend 2-3 years learning how to operate in a 705 environment they'll do more than a fine job as a Captain. I've seen it first hand... the only downside for the COMPANY is that it takes 2-3 years, not the quality of candidate.
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derateNO wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:46 pm Of course they knew this was coming.

Doesn't help that it's impossible for people to get scheduled with a LC for PICUS, and people are loosing PICUS they had done already because of time limits.

This is just the beginning.

I'm calling it, within 5 years JAZZ will be wrapped back up into AC with the list stapled to the bottom with everyone seat protected, and all new AC hires will start by flying RJs and Q400's at the 'Regional' payrate and any new Captains needed will all be from AC who were on flat pay and most of which already came from those planes at Jazz. I'll happily go fly a CRJ or Q400 around for a few more years in the left seat while accruing my AC seniority. I've already done it, after-all.

AC didn't invest 100 million dollars into Chorus and put someone on the board for no reason....
i seriously doubt that. there's a huge advantage of them having a separate operator, with separate payroll, and a separate union, to isolate themselves from labor disruptions, pay rates, etc. It also makes it easy to select another contractor if Jazz employees complain about their wage etc.

plus the hurdle with ACPA...
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I disagree. With the new 17 year CPA it's shown AC wants LONG TERM stability. The best LONG TERM stability is bringing it back in house. Air Canada already learned that trying to suppress wages and creating infighting between different groups doesn't work AKA GGN. Jazz does the job better than anyone else in Canada and the nay sayers will argue, but it really is a very well run company. AC could benefit from having some of their management and training management integrate into Big Red and fix all the multitude of issues we have.

I would vote in favor of a new LOU/pay tier at AC for a Regional under 76 seat category as long as the scope language was locked up tight and their list was stapled to the bottom of ours (with seat and list protection for the Sr. guys). It would bring AC jobs back to AC and pilots would start accruing seniority from day one flying a Q400 or CRJ. Plus AC could tap the huge amount of experience sitting in pretty useless positions like RP to go left seat in the CRJ or Q400. Right now it's 9 months to the left seat of a CRJ at Jazz, and that's a problem.
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That will not happen.

ACPA Article 1 (SCOPE) is specific about accrual of seniority. Any variance comes only at the direct consent of ACPA (example was reserved seniority spots in PML 1.0)

There was a brief time in the 1990’s where 100% of AC new-hires had to come from AC Regional. It was time limited and fairly short lived. That LOU did not survive the representational transition of the AC pilots from CALPA to ACPA.

If nothing, the AC pilots have been 100% consistent and 100% successful (mergers notwithstanding) in controlling access to their seniority list.

Best outcome to be considered would be similar to PML 1.0 with a reserved seniority number from entitled PIT course at AC with 24 month deferral rights. This would get Jazz/Express pilots more opportunity to accumulate Part 705 flying experience - including command time - prior to transitioning to AC.

Time will tell.
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Never say never.

I'd personally be happy to see it happen. I could go make a living again as a regional Captain.
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