Jazz Experience

[lock15]

An instructor colleague of mine got a call for an interview early Dec 2016. 1800 TT, 700 multi with AA's. All time was acquired from instructing. As of last week, I heard from a Jazz FO that Jazz is no longer calling instructors unless they have multi crew time (according to one of the chief pilots).
Can anybody verify this? I'm at 1650TT 550 multi and awaiting ATPL stickers in the mail, was hoping for a call for an interview in the next months.

[sd87]

I'm at 1650TT 550 multi and awaiting ATPL stickers in the mail, was hoping for a call for an interview in the next months.

Are you me? I have quite literally the exact same experience as you - 1650TT, 550MPIC, ATPL Sticker in the mail all instructor time. I put in an application in November and have an internal recommendation on file and still nothing.

[mmm..bacon]

^Dont feel too bad, Ive got 705 time, well over 5k hours,lots of pic and nothing yet

[HarrisonFord]

Going to a 705 with only instructing time just seems wrong

[BingBong]

Yup

[lock15]

Going to a 705 with only instructing time just seems wrong

Understandable. But I think they're starting to look into that avenue. Two of my instructor colleagues got calls for a video interview but were unsuccessful. I luckily got through the video interview and just booked a sim eval so maybe I can provide hope to others in my shoes.

[flyer 1492]

Going to a 705 with only instructing time just seems wrong

Understandable. But I think they're starting to look into that avenue. Two of my instructor colleagues got calls for a video interview but were unsuccessful. I luckily got through the video interview and just booked a sim eval so maybe I can provide hope to others in my shoes.

I've seen a few instructors come thru training on the CRJ. Yes, it is a big jump, but the individuals were capable pilots and handled the aircraft well.

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[HansDietrich]

Going to a 705 with only instructing time just seems wrong

Yup! Agreed! 500 hrs Multi Crew should be a minimum. I can't go and be a class I instructor with 3000 hrs Jet time... Just saying...

[goingmach_1]

Just heard that a Sault College grad with 500 hrs (max) is now on course with Jazz on the RJ. Wow, times are changing.

[Rowdy]

Do you have a name?

[Wammer]

Good friend of mine graduated MRU last year and has been on the RJ for about 8 months now. I believe it is 4 or 5 others from last year that are on the Q or Classic

[Black_Tusk]

Just heard that a Sault College grad with 500 hrs (max) is now on course with Jazz on the RJ. Wow, times are changing.

Good for them. The RJ isn't exactly hard to fly.

[TheStig]

Neither is a Dash and yet numerous accidents, culminating with Colgan Air, led the FAA to impose a 1500 hour minimum on 705 equivalent operations in the US after determining lack of Pilot experience was a common factor. I have to say I'm a bit concerned, not so much with one relatively inexperienced pilot being up front (a 500 hour First Officer), but by the fact that the Captain they're flying with could have been hired just over one year earlier with similar credentials. Are there any restrictions at Jazz which prevent pairing low time FO's with recently upgraded Captains? I'm not trying to slag any individuals or the training provided, but I don't think there is any replacement for experience.

[Black_Tusk]

No green on green.. Under 100 on type. So if you were an FO on a dash then went captain you can fly with someone fresh off line indoc. Actually, my first flight off indoc was with a brand new captain.

[mbav8r]

Blacktusk, I'm sorry you've had to fly with Captains that don't follow SOP, however as a Captain who follows the SOPs and as a long time Jazz pilot who as an FO never(with a maybe 2 exceptions) flew with a Captain who didn't, I respectfully ask you revise your statement to a more accurate reflection of the Jazz Captains.
You seem to insinuate that only new Captains follow them and ALL longer term Captain don't, they say 5% of any group.... I don't think it's close to that at Jazz. Of course I don't know other bases all that well, so I hope I'm not wrong

[Black_Tusk]

I wasn't insinuating all. Just to be clear, the majority are great. If you'd like to know what specifics I'm talking about I'd be happy to take this into PM.

[TheStig]

And if I'm being honest often flying with the newer captains is better because they actually follow SOPS and care about doing a good job.

While you may feel new Captains do a 'better' job, I wouldn't discount the experience the senior pilots have, while they may call for 'Flaps' instead of 'Flap', they can also anticipate problems a thousand miles away that recent upgrades trip over with out ever anticipating given their spending such a short amount of time the right seat. With such a massive turnover of Jazz' pilot group in the past few years my concern is that there are simply too many relatively inexperienced crew members paired up together.

I'm glad you think flying an RJ is easy, but at the end of back to back to back multi day pairings filled with weather, delays, and maintenance issues it never hurts to have a few years of experience to fall back on. I still feel totally comfortable boarding a Jazz flight, I'm just wondering aloud here if anyone else inside the organization is concerned about such a massive flow of fresh upgrades and new hires filling the front seats?

[mato]

+1 TheStig

Often with the new Captains everything seems great until unusual situations come up. Things like MEL, bad weather, all those types of things some of the new guys get quiet... CRM goes out the window and I can feel the intensity and stress creep in. Flying with some of the guys who have been on the plane for years it seems nothing phases them, when you feel a little under pressure they are pretty cool calm and collected.

Its not a one shoe size fits all, but I dont discount the experience of the guys who have been flying since before I was born.

[LennyLeonard]

Is multi, including multi piston time, still more valued than single turbine or at this point they could care less?

[FL-280]

For some reason, and I can't figure out why multi piston time is more valuable to them than single engine turbine.
Lots of navajo captains, rarely guys off the pc-12.