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Fair enough, I have no excuse, our performance is slipping and no doubt the shortage of experienced pilots is having an effect. Maybe this will trigger some competition and the pay will start to come back up. Jazz is upgrading pilots now in their 1st year, we are going to need more experienced pilots if this trend continues not to mention these pilots upgrading are also at Jazz with one foot out the door to AC, once the AC machine starts up again this fall, all I can say is I hope we are ahead of the curve or our numbers will slip further. Imho.
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20-40 new hires a month and lots of the experience leaving off the top to AC. It's a recipe for a decrease in the quality of service for sure. Still lotsa great people their who have been for a while BUT......
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iflyroads wrote:Gate agents report the door closed or gate closed time as out times on the 1900 at GGN this is matched with what the pilot reports. The RJ has ACARS.

Not sure about sky.

It would be great if we could report gate closed times as time out. %99 of the time we are waiting on the ramp crew for bag numbers (so the door stays open and ACARS won't register brake drop) or for them to hook up the tug. Especially at AC bases with AC ground crews.... I can count on one hand the amount of times we've been late to push due to the flight crew. Most of the time we're sitting there twiddling our thumbs.

On time performance as a method of measuring success is ridiculous because it relies on too many outside factors that are out of our control as a flight crew.

It also doesn't help that AC schedules flights in international with 30-40 min turns. Add an inbound flight that had some "westjet delay vectors" or flow and now the outbound flight is late. Add an airstart due to INOP APU or a tow from domestic to international and everything gets even more fucked up.
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Black_Tusk wrote:
Add an inbound flight that had some "westjet delay vectors" or flow and now the outbound flight is late.
WTH is a 'westjet delay vector' :?:
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North Shore wrote:
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Add an inbound flight that had some "westjet delay vectors" or flow and now the outbound flight is late.
WTH is a 'westjet delay vector' :?:

It's when you're following in Westjet on arrival and they transition at 230-250kts slowing down everyone behind them doing 290kts+.
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Has anyone without a degree so much as had an in person interview with PML 2.0? Seems like everyone I've heard about getting hired has a degree. Is there any hope for us uneducated simpletons?
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No degree here, just a diploma and a certificate and I've done the video interview and then heard nothing but crickets..
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Same here, I think you were hired about 2 months before me Rowdy. Lots of very talented people above me who have been waiting for a long time after doing the video interview.
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seniorpumpkin wrote:Has anyone without a degree so much as had an in person interview with PML 2.0? Seems like everyone I've heard about getting hired has a degree. Is there any hope for us uneducated simpletons?
Ive heard a few guys without university degrees getting emails for in person interview sometime in June.

Air Canada has probably processed everyone one on the "2nd PML" with university degrees and college program degrees so they are down to us "uneducated fools" ??
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I am also in the pool of folks who have completed the video interview, but haven't heard anything since. I have an aviation college diploma from Conestoga College.

The wait is tough, but it is certainly nothing like some of the other folks in the OTS have gone through so I consider myself lucky.
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skypirate88 wrote:I am also in the pool of folks who have completed the video interview, but haven't heard anything since. I have an aviation college diploma from Conestoga College.

The wait is tough, but it is certainly nothing like some of the other folks in the OTS have gone through so I consider myself lucky.
I understand the PFO comes within 2 weeks. If you haven't heard no after 2 weeks, you're banked for the in person process.

Anyone experience anything different?
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cost.index777 wrote:
skypirate88 wrote:I am also in the pool of folks who have completed the video interview, but haven't heard anything since. I have an aviation college diploma from Conestoga College.

The wait is tough, but it is certainly nothing like some of the other folks in the OTS have gone through so I consider myself lucky.
I understand the PFO comes within 2 weeks. If you haven't heard no after 2 weeks, you're banked for the in person process.

Anyone experience anything different?
I wasn't aware of that but nice to know if that is the case. I am not terribly concerned at this point. I am having a lot of fun where I sit at Jazz
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I know someone through the whole process from PML 2.0. Aviation college diploma only and is waiting on a GS date.
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Black_Tusk wrote:I know someone through the whole process from PML 2.0. Aviation college diploma only and is waiting on a GS date.
From which college if you don't mind me asking? I'm wondering if they're now prioritizing diplomas from certain flight colleges?

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Canada340 wrote:
Black_Tusk wrote:I know someone through the whole process from PML 2.0. Aviation college diploma only and is waiting on a GS date.
From which college if you don't mind me asking? I'm wondering if they're now prioritizing diplomas from certain flight colleges?

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Actually, no. I'm sure there are loads of Seneca grads who flowed through but the Confed diploma seems to be enough these days.
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Black_Tusk wrote:
North Shore wrote:
Black_Tusk wrote:
Add an inbound flight that had some "westjet delay vectors" or flow and now the outbound flight is late.
WTH is a 'westjet delay vector' :?:

It's when you're following in Westjet on arrival and they transition at 230-250kts slowing down everyone behind them doing 290kts+.
So you are flying a 999 cost index while Westjet is flying slower than zero? Wow, it's pretty rare I see either of those. The RJ must be a sleek machine if it's coming down efficiently at 290Kts+
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mantogasrsrwy wrote:
Black_Tusk wrote:
North Shore wrote:
WTH is a 'westjet delay vector' :?:

It's when you're following in Westjet on arrival and they transition at 230-250kts slowing down everyone behind them doing 290kts+.
So you are flying a 999 cost index while Westjet is flying slower than zero? Wow, it's pretty rare I see either of those. The RJ must be a sleek machine if it's coming down efficiently at 290Kts+
SOP is idle descent at 4*/290kts.
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Yep, SOP .74/290 and I've been slowed to 250 by ATC and they cleared WJ ahead to speed up to 250, we complied and somehow on the same track we were still closing the gap, ATC asked WJ to confirm they were doing 250 and they responded "affirmative", they seemed to be lying because we were slowed even further, 230 and guess what the gap remained constant from that point on.
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I'm definetly not part of team-teal, but I love how WestJet is being bashed on a thread about the PML. Haha, 'they lied'. So Jazz!

What was the wind gradient during that descent, mbav8r?
How quickly did you slow to 250?
What was the vertical separation?
How much of TAS difference was there?
Was the controller new by any chance?
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