Rumor about %30 pay increase

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So the union is trying to match jazz fo wage year one to wje fo wage year one. Any truth to this?
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What is the WJE first year FO wage? Cause they sure don't have the contract we have.
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I also heard Porter is significantly sweetening the pot (pay, retention bonuses and higher RRSP matching). We are finally seeing some gains as a pilot group
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:prayer: Supply and Demand :prayer:
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Pt6-42 wrote:So the union is trying to match jazz fo wage year one to wje fo wage year one. Any truth to this?
If they are trying to match Encores pay, that is still lower than what the rumored %30 increase would have been. If it was in fact offered by the company, they should have taken it then.
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Ok I'll start this with "I'm being the Devils Advocate" and say that the company made their bed now they have to lay in it. They started this process with a B Scale and now they are running out of quality pilots who want to come and work for it. They maybe should have had some forethought vs. being "cost conscious". So I kind of get the Unions point of view saying that they started this, if they want to raise salaries I believe everyone deserves a little bit of the pie. My suggestions is FO's see a good raise, and Captains as well see a raise but smaller one. Maybe fight for some J Class auto upgrades for ALL pilots regardless of date of hire. But thats another one of my rants, i'll save for a later date. (This is all my personal opinion and FYI I am not on the FPML and have no intention of going to Big Red.)
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I heard GGN is gunning for 35% - 40% increase...

It will probably still work out to less than what Jazz is offering though :mrgreen:
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Boreas wrote:I heard GGN is gunning for 35% - 40% increase...

It will probably still work out to less than what Jazz is offering though :mrgreen:
HAHAHAHAHA I wouldn't hold your breath.
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CanadianEh wrote:I also heard Porter is significantly sweetening the pot (pay, retention bonuses and higher RRSP matching). We are finally seeing some gains as a pilot group
All depends on your definition of significant:

Here are some details that I've heard.

- Annual Cost of Living Scale Indexing (Based on rolling 10 year average, currently at 1.63%), effective Jan 2018
- Year 1 FO Currently 42,782 based on on 85 Credits; Jan 2018 = 43,479
- Year 1 CA currently 77,749 based on 85 Credits; Jan 2018 = 79,016

- OT paid at 1.5x over 85; 3x on GDO/VAC till Mid-Sept 2017
- Elimination of Credit Cap till Nov 2017 (normally sits around 100-105)

- No Change in Per Diem; 3$ CDN per hour, from duty start to duty end, including overnights (TAFB)

- 4 Initial FO Classes, Aug 2017-Dec 2017 (40 spots)
- 3 Upgrade CA Classes, Aug 2017-Dec 2017 (38 Spots)

- RRSP matching up to 9%, based on YOS.
- 4 Years and less = 5%; add a year, add 1%

- One-Time Retention Bonus ( 2 or 3 year commitment)
- 2 Year gets you 3 months base salary at scale level at end of term
- 3 Year gets you 6 months, also at scale level at end of term
- Offer to those hired before Jan 2018

- 2 Year CA bonus range: 20k -29k (15 year scale), 3 Year CA bonus range: 41k-59k
- 2 Year FO bonus range: 12k-18k (10 year scale), 3 Year FO bonus range: 28k-37k

- Example: New FO gets hired on, Promoted within 12 months, at end of 3 year term, is at scale level 2 for CA: Bonus of 42k, detail to follow on taxation and/or option to invest in RRSP

- Commuting Policy, details to be confirmed, effective Jan 2018

- Part-Time Pilot Positions, details to be confirmed, effective Jan 2018

- Internal Reference Bonus of 2k paid to referring pilot, when recruit reaches Year 2
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So Porter is the "canary in the coal mine", how long before this template has to be implemented at Jazz/SkyR/Georgian/Encore ???
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Ain't we loving that 10 year contract eh!!?!?
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FL-280 wrote:Ain't we loving that 10 year contract eh!!?!?
Everything is always negotiable.
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FL-280 wrote:Ain't we loving that 10 year contract eh!!?!?
So, what's your point?
Do you realize if the company needs something from us, the 10 year contract does not stop them from offering more, it only prevents us from asking for improvements that aren't cost neutral.
Take a look at the AC opener under discussion right now, AC needed something and offered improvements to work rules and pension, certainly not cost neutral!
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Kudos to Porter
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Now they are inviting new hires to tell them WTF is wrong with the place...Wow
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All DAY EVERY DAY wrote:Now they are inviting new hires to tell them WTF is wrong with the place...Wow
I volunteered. I'm just curious; do they think that the social media presence is the issue? It's all numbers! Pay! Days off! Pension! Benefits! It's not hard to attract people when the numbers are right.
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Tail-Chaser wrote:
All DAY EVERY DAY wrote:Now they are inviting new hires to tell them WTF is wrong with the place...Wow
I volunteered. I'm just curious; do they think that the social media presence is the issue? It's all numbers! Pay! Days off! Pension! Benefits! It's not hard to attract people when the numbers are right.
Jazz pilots are ALPA represented. If Jazz were to attempt to survey the Jazz pilots (including new-hires) about WAWCON which is properly the purview of collective bargaining, then it is a de facto attempt to circumvent the certified bargaining agent and would represent a potential unfair labour practice under the Canada Labour Code.

It is likely simply about social media presence and attracting applicants. Hard to believe but true.
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Hmmmm...How about offering more money?
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rudder wrote:
Tail-Chaser wrote: attracting applicants. Hard to believe but true.
1) Raise the starting pay %20-30
2) 2x or 3x WDO pay
3) Lower the average days worked/month, even if it's just a day or two
4) Stop sticking everyone in YUL initially for 4-6 months when there are vacancies at all bases.

I think even just number 4 alone would attract a few more people. But pay is the number one. I am not going to WDO myself very often at only 1.5x on year one or two pay.

I noticed American Airlines posts the anticipated retirements per year out to 2030 or so. If Jazz did that, I think a lot of people would consider coming here if saw on paper the huge amount of retirements in the pipeline.
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