Sim Eval 2018
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I have flown both types of aircraft at Jazz. Both the Crj and Classic. The dash is a much better aircraft for a 250 hour wonder.
The crj is too much aircraft, flown in high density airspace and would limits the stick and rudder time compared to the classic. Do yourself a favor and bid for classic or q....
The crj is too much aircraft, flown in high density airspace and would limits the stick and rudder time compared to the classic. Do yourself a favor and bid for classic or q....
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It's the easiest type I've ever done. Everything is QRC, the FMS is better, the A/P is better, hell... the training pilots are better. Everything is better.Canoehead wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:06 pmIf you want to set yourself up for the best chance at success, you should choose the most suitable type. For a 250 Hr pilot, that is likely not the CRJ.Lightchop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:53 am If you're like any of the other low time college hires I've flown with, I'm not worried.
Word of advice, ignore the haters. At training, in the hotel etc. you'll likely get a bit of chirps even if they are in a "nice way." Just put your head down, work your ass off, minimize the time you spend at the lobby lounge and bid the jet if you can. Everyone will tell you to take the classic since you're lower time. Don't. Bid the RJ.
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Couldn't agree moreLightchop wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:08 pmIt's the easiest type I've ever done. Everything is QRC, the FMS is better, the A/P is better, hell... the training pilots are better. Everything is better.Canoehead wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:06 pmIf you want to set yourself up for the best chance at success, you should choose the most suitable type. For a 250 Hr pilot, that is likely not the CRJ.Lightchop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:53 am If you're like any of the other low time college hires I've flown with, I'm not worried.
Word of advice, ignore the haters. At training, in the hotel etc. you'll likely get a bit of chirps even if they are in a "nice way." Just put your head down, work your ass off, minimize the time you spend at the lobby lounge and bid the jet if you can. Everyone will tell you to take the classic since you're lower time. Don't. Bid the RJ.
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Do you have support for those comments? It's got nothing to do with what someone thinks is "better" about the airplane (or broadly thinks about their fellow pilots). It's about what is better for the prospective candidate to ensure the best opportunity for success.
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Well I only had piston experience, no uni.. And I'm certainly not the smartest person I know. I've also done a Q400 type and found it more work and more difficult. Mostly due to the excessive memory items and numerous "gotchas" the aircraft has. They both fly about the same hands and feet wise aside from the yaw in the Q400.Canoehead wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:25 amDo you have support for those comments? It's got nothing to do with what someone thinks is "better" about the airplane (or broadly thinks about their fellow pilots). It's about what is better for the prospective candidate to ensure the best opportunity for success.
I know a few college hires that went into the jet all with no issues. On the flip side I know a few high time and experienced turbo prop pilots who had issues in the Q400 training.
Everyone's different, this is just my personal opinion.
YMMV
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The support is in the comment you quoted. The entire aircraft is better designed from a pilots perspective. The A/P, FMS, QRC alone are huge difference makers in my opinion.Canoehead wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:25 amDo you have support for those comments? It's got nothing to do with what someone thinks is "better" about the airplane (or broadly thinks about their fellow pilots). It's about what is better for the prospective candidate to ensure the best opportunity for success.
I had a lot more experience when I did the Q rating. Granted I haven't flown it but everyone I've spoken to about it said the dash classic rating is the hardest in the fleet. It's all old school, same amount if not more memory items than the Q. Same garbage FMS, terrible FCP/altsel etc. If that's what you're after then great.
If we're solely speaking from an initial hire "recipe for success" angle, I believe the RJ is the easiest rating.
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Until line indoc comes along and that QRC stays in the side pocket and now you're flying high density pedal to the metal Stars in the US....Lightchop wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:16 pmThe support is in the comment you quoted. The entire aircraft is better designed from a pilots perspective. The A/P, FMS, QRC alone are huge difference makers in my opinion.Canoehead wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:25 amDo you have support for those comments? It's got nothing to do with what someone thinks is "better" about the airplane (or broadly thinks about their fellow pilots). It's about what is better for the prospective candidate to ensure the best opportunity for success.
I had a lot more experience when I did the Q rating. Granted I haven't flown it but everyone I've spoken to about it said the dash classic rating is the hardest in the fleet. It's all old school, same amount if not more memory items than the Q. Same garbage FMS, terrible FCP/altsel etc. If that's what you're after then great.
If we're solely speaking from an initial hire "recipe for success" angle, I believe the RJ is the easiest rating.
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The only place I would be concerned going with a brand new person on the RJ is a night flight to DCA. I would just fly it so problem solved.FL-280 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:16 pmUntil line indoc comes along and that QRC stays in the side pocket and now you're flying high density pedal to the metal Stars in the US....Lightchop wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:16 pmThe support is in the comment you quoted. The entire aircraft is better designed from a pilots perspective. The A/P, FMS, QRC alone are huge difference makers in my opinion.Canoehead wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:25 am
Do you have support for those comments? It's got nothing to do with what someone thinks is "better" about the airplane (or broadly thinks about their fellow pilots). It's about what is better for the prospective candidate to ensure the best opportunity for success.
I had a lot more experience when I did the Q rating. Granted I haven't flown it but everyone I've spoken to about it said the dash classic rating is the hardest in the fleet. It's all old school, same amount if not more memory items than the Q. Same garbage FMS, terrible FCP/altsel etc. If that's what you're after then great.
If we're solely speaking from an initial hire "recipe for success" angle, I believe the RJ is the easiest rating.
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Yeah and that's super fun and it made me a hell of a better pilot. I'll take high density US over YXY and YDF etc. any day.FL-280 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:16 pmUntil line indoc comes along and that QRC stays in the side pocket and now you're flying high density pedal to the metal Stars in the US....Lightchop wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:16 pmThe support is in the comment you quoted. The entire aircraft is better designed from a pilots perspective. The A/P, FMS, QRC alone are huge difference makers in my opinion.Canoehead wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:25 am
Do you have support for those comments? It's got nothing to do with what someone thinks is "better" about the airplane (or broadly thinks about their fellow pilots). It's about what is better for the prospective candidate to ensure the best opportunity for success.
I had a lot more experience when I did the Q rating. Granted I haven't flown it but everyone I've spoken to about it said the dash classic rating is the hardest in the fleet. It's all old school, same amount if not more memory items than the Q. Same garbage FMS, terrible FCP/altsel etc. If that's what you're after then great.
If we're solely speaking from an initial hire "recipe for success" angle, I believe the RJ is the easiest rating.
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Agreed, heck even the day. But damn finding that river is difficult on a dim night.Rupert.Pupkin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:24 pmThe only place I would be concerned going with a brand new person on the RJ is a night flight to DCA. I would just fly it so problem solved.FL-280 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:16 pmUntil line indoc comes along and that QRC stays in the side pocket and now you're flying high density pedal to the metal Stars in the US....Lightchop wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:16 pm
The support is in the comment you quoted. The entire aircraft is better designed from a pilots perspective. The A/P, FMS, QRC alone are huge difference makers in my opinion.
I had a lot more experience when I did the Q rating. Granted I haven't flown it but everyone I've spoken to about it said the dash classic rating is the hardest in the fleet. It's all old school, same amount if not more memory items than the Q. Same garbage FMS, terrible FCP/altsel etc. If that's what you're after then great.
If we're solely speaking from an initial hire "recipe for success" angle, I believe the RJ is the easiest rating.
When I was an FO, I flew with a Captain who was new on type and asked me to fly it so he could be PM first. He was a bit on the edge of his seat the whole way, that final turn is a fun one for someone who's never done it before.
The expressway visual into LGA was a good one too, but that's no longer a destination of ours.
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No, we just disagree. Which is fine, I understand your point. Have you flown the RJ?.. not sure if I missed that somewhere up there.
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I think the point shouldn't be centred around which aircraft is the easiest to pass in the sim, or which aircraft is the most taxing to fly. Instead, I think it should be centred on which aircraft is the most conducive to developing good piloting knowledge and skills for a low-time pilot. In my opinion, that's the DH8, hands-down.
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Define good piloting knowledge and skills. The reality is all of our aircraft have autopilot so its not very difficult no matter which aircraft you are on. Plus you have a captain to hold your hand the entire way.DH8Pilot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:08 am I think the point shouldn't be centred around which aircraft is the easiest to pass in the sim, or which aircraft is the most taxing to fly. Instead, I think it should be centred on which aircraft is the most conducive to developing good piloting knowledge and skills for a low-time pilot. In my opinion, that's the DH8, hands-down.
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It doesn't really matter what you fly at Jazz. The pay is the same. The training is second to none. Go in with a good attitude. I found the RJ FMS a little more user friendly. The Dash classic is a "pilots" airplane. Very hands on and forgiving. Nice and slow and built like a tank. The Q400 is like a high maintenance Dash 8 classic. You have to be a bit more on your game with performance numbers etc and the yaw every time you change pitch and power is annoying. Other than that it's a great place to work. Small enough bases that you get to know everyone eventually.
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By that logic, neither is the 320, or 330, or 767....heck or even the 777 or 787 for that matter.Rupert.Pupkin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:55 amDefine good piloting knowledge and skills. The reality is all of our aircraft have autopilot so its not very difficult no matter which aircraft you are on. Plus you have a captain to hold your hand the entire way.DH8Pilot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:08 am I think the point shouldn't be centred around which aircraft is the easiest to pass in the sim, or which aircraft is the most taxing to fly. Instead, I think it should be centred on which aircraft is the most conducive to developing good piloting knowledge and skills for a low-time pilot. In my opinion, that's the DH8, hands-down.
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And many 250 hour pilots all over the world successfully fly those types.
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With the right training anyone can fly those airplanes. The actual difficult flying is hand bombing twin turbines around up north all day in crappy weather. Doing a hand flown approach to mins after 13:45 hours of flying all day. My opinion though.Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:13 pmBy that logic, neither is the 320, or 330, or 767....heck or even the 777 or 787 for that matter.Rupert.Pupkin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:55 amDefine good piloting knowledge and skills. The reality is all of our aircraft have autopilot so its not very difficult no matter which aircraft you are on. Plus you have a captain to hold your hand the entire way.DH8Pilot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:08 am I think the point shouldn't be centred around which aircraft is the easiest to pass in the sim, or which aircraft is the most taxing to fly. Instead, I think it should be centred on which aircraft is the most conducive to developing good piloting knowledge and skills for a low-time pilot. In my opinion, that's the DH8, hands-down.
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Just for your info jazz is overstaff right now and you will probably be placed in a pool for couple of months so you might have to wait for the job offer a bit.dustincanuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:43 pm Yah I know it is kinda crazy but I'm just taking the opportunities that come to me. We'll see I haven't got a job offer yet but hopefully soon. I think the plan is the RJ. I would like to be in YVR or yyc and I hear both YVR and yyc RJ is a pretty good schedule. Anything would be amazing though so we'll just see what happens. Not Seneca btw but similar.
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In my opinion, the first 1000hrs of a pilot's career are fundamental in developing their knowledge and hands-and-feet flying. While I agree the extent to which this is possible at Jazz is limited, relative to the northern flying much of us started with, the DH8 offers the best option to do so of all the aircraft in the fleet.Rupert.Pupkin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:55 amDefine good piloting knowledge and skills. The reality is all of our aircraft have autopilot so its not very difficult no matter which aircraft you are on. Plus you have a captain to hold your hand the entire way.DH8Pilot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:08 am I think the point shouldn't be centred around which aircraft is the easiest to pass in the sim, or which aircraft is the most taxing to fly. Instead, I think it should be centred on which aircraft is the most conducive to developing good piloting knowledge and skills for a low-time pilot. In my opinion, that's the DH8, hands-down.
Like I said earlier, you're down low in the weather, doing the most amounts of legs per day. The more you get to see this type of operation, the better off you are. Like anything, practice makes perfect, and I'd argue a low-time pilot would benefit more doing a bunch of short DH8 hops per day, than a couple of longer RJ flights, up above the weather, landing on long runways with almost exclusively ILS approaches.
As mentioned by another user, the DH8 is a more forgiving aircraft flying wise, making it an easier transition from the trainer type aircraft the college applicants would've flown before. However, in terms of system knowledge, I'd argue the DH8 demands a greater extent of it, given the limited help it gives you with respect to indicators and the QRH. I've never flown the Q or RJ, but those I know who've transitioned onto it say these planes will do a lot more for your in emergencies.