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Re: Things are brewing in the kitchen.

#26 Post by Anticyclone » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:27 pm

Well i heard Jazz to eventually become a prop operator and all its jets are to be dispatched.
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#27 Post by Inverted2 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:47 pm

Anticyclone wrote:
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Well i heard Jazz to eventually become a prop operator and all its jets are to be dispatched.
Nope you heard wrong. Jazz is going to become a glider operator and focus on Air Cadets during the summer months. Georgian will provide the tows with female TFWs. :lol:
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#28 Post by iflyroads » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:10 pm

New route out of yul in the summer ? To RDU on the 200.
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#29 Post by speedah » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:50 pm

Well folks?

Something should be coming soon, I hope. Let’s get those rj’s back so the old boys can shut up about “ the jet ”

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#30 Post by KenoraPilot » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:14 pm

Sounds like late nights in YYZ with the company and ALPA. Usually the Jan bid comes out around Jan 15 and hopefully they're making a good push to get something done. Crossing fingers for positive news :)
(Yes hoping YYZ gets "the jet" back) lol
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#31 Post by Citationdriver » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:05 pm

Quick question. Does jazz have a, minimum 200 hour flight requirement in past 12 months to get hired? I have lots of jet pic 5k, AAs. Been out for 5 years. Coming back to fly.
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#32 Post by KenoraPilot » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm

To be honest I don't know. Apply and find out? Also you can contact Jazz and ask.
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#33 Post by Lightchop » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:19 pm

Citationdriver wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:05 pm
Quick question. Does jazz have a, minimum 200 hour flight requirement in past 12 months to get hired? I have lots of jet pic 5k, AAs. Been out for 5 years. Coming back to fly.
Nope, I have flown with a few people who "rejoined" the industry.
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#34 Post by Outlaw58 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:00 pm

Citationdriver wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:05 pm
Quick question. Does jazz have a, minimum 200 hour flight requirement in past 12 months to get hired? I have lots of jet pic 5k, AAs. Been out for 5 years. Coming back to fly.
The way I understand it, applicant's who don't have 200 hrs in the last 12 mo get flagged by HR and don't make it further than the initial phone interview unless the chief pilot vets the application to move ahead. So don't let it stop you from applying; if your resume is solid, it should get through.

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#35 Post by Citationdriver » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:31 pm

Thanks for that. Would AC consider guys getting back into the industry? Live in ylw. Hoping for a YVR or yyc base. Been a while since I was in the game. Stuff sure has changed. Wow
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#36 Post by Lightchop » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:44 am

Citationdriver wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:31 pm
Thanks for that. Would AC consider guys getting back into the industry? Live in ylw. Hoping for a YVR or yyc base. Been a while since I was in the game. Stuff sure has changed. Wow
Yes. They can barely fill classes with anyone other than college kids. Apply away I'd be happy to have someone with your experience sitting next to me even if you're a bit rusty. Good luck..
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#37 Post by rudder » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:51 am

KenoraPilot wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:14 pm
Sounds like late nights in YYZ with the company and ALPA. Usually the Jan bid comes out around Jan 15 and hopefully they're making a good push to get something done. Crossing fingers for positive news :)
(Yes hoping YYZ gets "the jet" back) lol
Not a coincidence that GGN/ALPA negotiations are going on simultaneously.

The whipsaw is alive and well at AC Express.
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#38 Post by Sharklasers » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:53 am

AC bought some of Chorus and announced RJ fleet expansion.
New Enhanced PML est.
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#40 Post by ant_321 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:39 am

I heard there was an email sent out from Jazz saying all the CRJ’s will be operated by Jazz by the end of the year. Any news on what’s happening to GGN?
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#41 Post by HansDietrich » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:15 am

Interesting times. I can't see I saw that coming. So AC owning part of "Jazz" now, would that put it at a conflict of interest, in regard to GGN and SKY? If you owned part of my company, and gave work away to a competitor, how would I feel about that? Honestly, I have to admit: I'm very perplexed when it comes to economics, especially in the airline industry.
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#42 Post by Inverted2 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:48 am

Jazz had a large amount of its YYZ flying taken away and given to SKY and GGN a few years ago. GGN made a mess of it. This is the result. Too soon to see how it will all play out though.
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#43 Post by KenoraPilot » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:55 am

Only time will tell.......but doesn't sound fantastic for GGN.
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#44 Post by daedalusx » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:09 am

Seems like our Georgian colleagues might be offered employment at Jazz.
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#45 Post by KenoraPilot » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:10 am

Well all 12 GGN RJ200s are coming back to Jazz in 2019.
Will see how they are “offered employment”
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#46 Post by Transition9er2 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:37 am

Nothing about pay increase... must be by design?

AC wins if anyone wants to stay at Jazz cause pay is so low.
AC wins if anyone wants to flow over cause they’re so short pilots... and newbies go on fixed pay.

It’s a win - win - win for AC.

Personally I don’t necessarily want to go to AC.... if pay was improved along with the news today I would seriously consider Jazz home for the rest of my career.

Anyone else on B scale think the same?
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#47 Post by ogc » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:43 am

Transition9er2 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:37 am
Nothing about pay increase... must be by design?

AC wins if anyone wants to stay at Jazz cause pay is so low.
AC wins if anyone wants to flow over cause they’re so short pilots... and newbies go on fixed pay.

It’s a win - win - win for AC.

Personally I don’t necessarily want to go to AC.... if pay was improved along with the news today I would seriously consider Jazz home for the rest of my career.

Anyone else on B scale think the same?
I dont think the Bscale will go anywhere. I imagine the better mobility agreement will be enough of a carrot to the new hires and the return of jets to Toronto enough for the senior guys.
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Re: Things are brewing in the kitchen.

#48 Post by PostmasterGeneral » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:44 am

Transition9er2 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:37 am
Nothing about pay increase... must be by design?

AC wins if anyone wants to stay at Jazz cause pay is so low.
AC wins if anyone wants to flow over cause they’re so short pilots... and newbies go on fixed pay.

It’s a win - win - win for AC.

Personally I don’t necessarily want to go to AC.... if pay was improved along with the news today I would seriously consider Jazz home for the rest of my career.

Anyone else on B scale think the same?
B-Scale pay was agreed to because upgrades now come about 6-8 years sooner than they used to. A pilot who started at Jazz in 2015 will make more over his career than those guys who started in 2010, because of the early upgrades.

I agree the B scale sucks, (I’m one of the guys on that scale) but it’s inportant to understand WHY it was voted in the first place. Not defending it, just offering an explanation as to why it is what it is.
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#49 Post by PostmasterGeneral » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:45 am

ogc wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:43 am
Transition9er2 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:37 am
Nothing about pay increase... must be by design?

AC wins if anyone wants to stay at Jazz cause pay is so low.
AC wins if anyone wants to flow over cause they’re so short pilots... and newbies go on fixed pay.

It’s a win - win - win for AC.

Personally I don’t necessarily want to go to AC.... if pay was improved along with the news today I would seriously consider Jazz home for the rest of my career.

Anyone else on B scale think the same?
I dont think the Bscale will go anywhere. I imagine the better mobility agreement will be enough of a carrot to the new hires and the return of jets to Toronto enough for the senior guys.
Jazz will want something out of the new mobility agreement as well. Expect some sort of “time limit” to the tune of “spend 4 years at Jazz and be eligible for an interview with Air Canada.”
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#50 Post by PostmasterGeneral » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:47 am

HansDietrich wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:15 am
Interesting times. I can't see I saw that coming. So AC owning part of "Jazz" now, would that put it at a conflict of interest, in regard to GGN and SKY? If you owned part of my company, and gave work away to a competitor, how would I feel about that? Honestly, I have to admit: I'm very perplexed when it comes to economics, especially in the airline industry.
See, you wouldn’t have been stuck on the Classic forever after all if you’d have stayed!
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