Classic Dash replacement??

[KenoraPilot]

How much longer will Jazz keep the -100s flying out west...anyone got an update ?

All -100s will be gone from Jazz by May 1st. -300s moving west to replace the -100s.

Are they planning to close the eastern bases for the classic?

Not sure, but highly highly doubt it. The YYC Base is a small DH8 base. Likely only 4-5 tails will be in YYC.

[Caterpillar]

With COVID, can we expect 100% of the -100 to retire quicker than by the end of the year?

[KenoraPilot]

With COVID, can we expect 100% of the -100 to retire quicker than by the end of the year?

4 of the 6 have just been ferried to YYB over the last 3 days. The last two should be going to YYB this week and a few 300's will be sent out to YYC.

(YYB where they will go to Voyageur and be parted out or start a new life elsewhere)

[dhc#]

I wonder if the rest of the jazz fleet will see a revamp in the future as a result of the pandemic ?

[rudder]

I wonder if the rest of the jazz fleet will see a revamp in the future as a result of the pandemic ?

100%. Less flying requires less aircraft.

Accelerated retirement of Dash 8 100’s and a bullseye on the 15 CRJ200’s.

The issue of ‘owned’ vs ‘leased’ will be consequential.

[dhc#]

Regarding the Jazz fleet, how many aircraft are owned vs. leased ?

Is there a breakdown someplace online to reference ?

[J31]

Regarding the Jazz fleet, how many aircraft are owned vs. leased ?

Is there a breakdown someplace online to reference ?

No Owned vs leased but https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Jazz%20Air.htm

[KenoraPilot]

Regarding the Jazz fleet, how many aircraft are owned vs. leased ?

Is there a breakdown someplace online to reference ?

No Owned vs leased but https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Jazz%20Air.htm

Not very accurate as we currently have ZERO DH8-100 still operating for Jazz.

[rudder]

Detailed information on the owned/leased status of CHR aircraft used to be available on the chorusaviation.com website under the Executive Management Presentations banner. They have all since been removed.

Not sure if any such info can be derived from the quarterly or annual reports.

[dhc#]

From the Dash 8 World News Blog, in the Jan 19th/15th updates, its noted that Jazz is returning (I believe) the leased ex- SR Q400s to Nordic Aviation Capital.

https://dash8world.com/news-blog

[teacher]

Not sure if someone (or I) posted this already a while ago but De-Havilland has explored a shrunken DHC400. Same engines just de-rated (lower operating costs) so lower fuel burn and reduced engine wear but commonality with parts and type rating.

https://skiesmag.com/news/de-havilland- ... ash-8-400/

[igorcanuck]

Not sure if someone (or I) posted this already a while ago but De-Havilland has explored a shrunken DHC400. Same engines just de-rated (lower operating costs) so lower fuel burn and reduced engine wear but commonality with parts and type rating.

https://skiesmag.com/news/de-havilland- ... ash-8-400/

https://simpleflying.com/de-havilland- ... ended/amp/

[airway]

Not sure if someone (or I) posted this already a while ago but De-Havilland has explored a shrunken DHC400. Same engines just de-rated (lower operating costs) so lower fuel burn and reduced engine wear but commonality with parts and type rating.

https://skiesmag.com/news/de-havilland- ... ash-8-400/

https://simpleflying.com/de-havilland- ... ended/amp/

Wow, what a difference four weeks makes

[airway]

Not sure if someone (or I) posted this already a while ago but De-Havilland has explored a shrunken DHC400. Same engines just de-rated (lower operating costs) so lower fuel burn and reduced engine wear but commonality with parts and type rating.

https://skiesmag.com/news/de-havilland- ... ash-8-400/

https://simpleflying.com/de-havilland- ... ended/amp/

Wow, what a difference four weeks makes

Oops disregard that’s one year and four weeks ha ha

[fish4life]

The problem for the dash is the ATR is a more efficient product overall from an operating cost. ATR barely makes any 42’s anymore because the operating cost of a 72 is not much more. The operating cost of a 72 vs a Q400 is a pretty big difference, unless you need the extra speed and high altitude performance that the Q400 gives over the ATR they are just too expensive to operate.

In Canada the jazz and encore use the q400 almost like a regional jet would but it most of the rest of the world those routes are on regional jets or 737’s

[Mône]

Except the cities paired by those companies operating bigger metal have a population of 200 000, not 20 000.

[Kosiw]

Interesting tidbit from the March 1st Chorus press release

"Removal of 19 Dash 8-300s from Jazz’s Covered Aircraft fleet

19 Dash 8-300s will be removed from the fleet in 2021. Removal of the Dash 8- 300s will reduce future aircraft leasing revenue under the CPA by approximately $56.0 million over the remaining term of the contract.

Chorus owns these Dash 8-300s, 15 of which have undergone the Extended Service Program (‘ESP’) which prolongs their useful life by approximately 15 years. Chorus has the ability to sell or lease these aircraft or convert them for cargo operations."

Freight demand has increased worldwide, with 19 surplus aircraft available and easily convertible to freight ops, there is opportunity for Chorus/Jazz should they decide to go after that type of work.

[Inverted2]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Classics don’t end up sticking around a while longer if part of the Feds deal with the airlines involves restoring service to some of the places abandoned last year - mainly in Quebec.

[Rowdy]

I believe it is worded to show that their numbers are being removed from CPA protections. I doubt they will be no longer flying routes for Jazz/AC until suitable replacements are acquired for the routes they operate.

It makes me wonder if as part of the government bailout that we will end up purchasing some canadian built aircraft to help further the recovery of our economy. The Q is more efficient than the classic and it would certainly look positive for the Turdeau administration to show their devotion to the green movement by replacing old dirty dash's with new Q's. It would also show an investment in canadian jobs.

Perhaps the release of the bailout information is tied to a few pots in the fire? This one included?

[Splash]

I believe it is worded to show that their numbers are being removed from CPA protections. I doubt they will be no longer flying routes for Jazz/AC until suitable replacements are acquired for the routes they operate.

It makes me wonder if as part of the government bailout that we will end up purchasing some canadian built aircraft to help further the recovery of our economy. The Q is more efficient than the classic and it would certainly look positive for the Turdeau administration to show their devotion to the green movement by replacing old dirty dash's with new Q's. It would also show an investment in canadian jobs.

Perhaps the release of the bailout information is tied to a few pots in the fire? This one included?

Q400 production has been suspended and may not resume. There are so many, perhaps a 100 or more available for lease and no demand for new builds. The DH3 was on it's way out, just a little sooner than expected. I imagine AC will focus on regional routes that can support the current fleet of DH4, CR9 and E75. Of the aforementioned fleet, some of be subject to lease returns up to 2025. The CR2 is on death-row in my view.