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Re: Bid 2019

Post by flycomercial » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:09 pm

rudder wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:45 pm
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:40 pm
You will either get yyc or very soon after you start. Dont worry about the base. You can always change that.
If you do not hold a YYC Position in the new-hire Bid, make sure to select an Equipment type that is operated on the YYC Base. You can then change your standing bid to show current Equipment but different Base. YYC is showing all Equipment types but D8 roster is very small.
That makes sense. Will I be able to bid for a different base whenever the company have opening or will I have to wait certain period before getting transferred?
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by Babar350 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:17 pm

rudder wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:55 pm
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:48 am
So we can basically estimate around 10 OTS per month for a year in each GS...
Depending on when the CRJs will be transferred ? Or GS will independently be filled by GGN pilots first and remaining spots by OTS?
Jazz will be losing an average of 20+ per month to AC. GGN pilots that move to Jazz are included in that number. For March-December you are probably looking at 10-20 OTS hired at Jazz per month. Some months a little higher. Some months a little lower.
So that means 30-candidates GS per month including GGN pilots? Seems a big number!
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by rudder » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:51 pm

Babar350 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:17 pm

So that means 30-candidates GS per month including GGN pilots? Seems a big number!
Jazz hired and trained 450 pilots in 2017. 30 per month is well within Jazz capabilities.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by goleafsgo » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:32 pm

flycomercial wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:09 pm
rudder wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:45 pm
Malfunction wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:40 pm
You will either get yyc or very soon after you start. Dont worry about the base. You can always change that.
If you do not hold a YYC Position in the new-hire Bid, make sure to select an Equipment type that is operated on the YYC Base. You can then change your standing bid to show current Equipment but different Base. YYC is showing all Equipment types but D8 roster is very small.
That makes sense. Will I be able to bid for a different base whenever the company have opening or will I have to wait certain period before getting transferred?
You can bid for a different base at any time and you'll get it when there's a position open. It has to be the same plane though, you're frozen on type for 4 years unless you upgrade onto something else
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by bearitus » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:03 pm

Will the 4 year FO type freeze be lifted for this new bid for current FOs?
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by Outlaw58 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:07 pm

bearitus wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:03 pm
Will the 4 year FO type freeze be lifted for this new bid for current FOs?
That question is on many FOs lips :)

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Re: Bid 2019

Post by flycomercial » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:58 pm

goleafsgo wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:32 pm
flycomercial wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:09 pm
rudder wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:45 pm


If you do not hold a YYC Position in the new-hire Bid, make sure to select an Equipment type that is operated on the YYC Base. You can then change your standing bid to show current Equipment but different Base. YYC is showing all Equipment types but D8 roster is very small.
That makes sense. Will I be able to bid for a different base whenever the company have opening or will I have to wait certain period before getting transferred?
You can bid for a different base at any time and you'll get it when there's a position open. It has to be the same plane though, you're frozen on type for 4 years unless you upgrade onto something else
Thank you so much. That helps a lot.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by ssssssbob » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 pm

The MOS Q&A pdf stated that "Pilots in that base at the time of reduction have first choice on base vacancies"

If im interpreting this correctly, if I am reduced out of YYZ Q400, I will get first pick on the RJ over the GGN guys?
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by Dirty24.7 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:59 pm

ssssssbob wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 pm
The MOS Q&A pdf stated that "Pilots in that base at the time of reduction have first choice on base vacancies"

If im interpreting this correctly, if I am reduced out of YYZ Q400, I will get first pick on the RJ over the GGN guys?
I am curious about this as well. Some of the wording they use is a little unclear.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by Kaykay » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:24 pm

I think maybe questions like this are better asked of your ALPA reps, rather than strangers on a forum...especially if you really want accurate answers.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by rudder » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:34 pm

Looks like 196 GGN pilots signed up for Jazz.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by C-GGGQ » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:42 pm

KenoraPilot wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:30 am
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:05 am
How many pilots coming from Georgian?
Maximum on their roster eligible to join Jazz is 226. Of that how many go to AC directly, or choose not to join Jazz and stay at GGN or go elsewhere.....who knows. I'm gonna guess that about 200GGN pilots come to Jazz (roughly).

300+ more pilots, but massive reductions over time.....DH8 YVR base closure. Q400 YYZ reduced a lot. DH8 YYC reduced a lot.
Q YVR base doubles in size, DH8 in YYZ grows, and opening of CRJ YYZ base.

Going to be an interesting 2019/20
Pretty much spot on the numbers
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by link821 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:50 pm

rudder wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:34 pm
Looks like 196 GGN pilots signed up for Jazz.
how many pilots is jazz projected to hire this year?
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by rudder » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:03 pm

link821 wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:50 pm

how many pilots is jazz projected to hire this year?
Bid results will show remaining vacancies for 2019 including January 2020.

Approximately 200 will leave for AC. 200 added from GGN. Lots of inefficiencies due to pilots in initial type training. OTS probably 15-20 per month April-December.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by 47north » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:19 pm

ssssssbob wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 pm
The MOS Q&A pdf stated that "Pilots in that base at the time of reduction have first choice on base vacancies"

If im interpreting this correctly, if I am reduced out of YYZ Q400, I will get first pick on the RJ over the GGN guys?
That is more or less correct. Read section 5-5 of the contract. Basically for each position reduced in YYZ off the Q, an equal number of open positions on the CRJ and/or Dash classic are considered base vacancies and those pilots based in YYZ will get first choice to bid on those positions before a pilot from another base. Since Georgian pilots technically don’t have a base on the Jazz roster , they have to bid a system vacancy and won’t necessarily get a YYZ RJ position.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by B1900Driver » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:20 am

So if I understand correctly, Jazz will need 376 pilots this year. 196 are coming from GGN, leaving 180 spots for OTS from today to January 2020?
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by rudder » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:54 am

47north wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:19 pm
ssssssbob wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 pm
The MOS Q&A pdf stated that "Pilots in that base at the time of reduction have first choice on base vacancies"

If im interpreting this correctly, if I am reduced out of YYZ Q400, I will get first pick on the RJ over the GGN guys?
That is more or less correct. Read section 5-5 of the contract. Basically for each position reduced in YYZ off the Q, an equal number of open positions on the CRJ and/or Dash classic are considered base vacancies and those pilots based in YYZ will get first choice to bid on those positions before a pilot from another base. Since Georgian pilots technically don’t have a base on the Jazz roster , they have to bid a system vacancy and won’t necessarily get a YYZ RJ position.
Net increase in posted positions in YYZ is 150 including a net increase in 76 CA positions. Therefore, it is NOT a base bid.

All vacancies in YYZ will be filled in order of system seniority with the exception that no current YYZ based pilot can be forced off of the base.

GGN pilots do not have a base for the purpose of the bid.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by rudder » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:56 am

B1900Driver wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:20 am
So if I understand correctly, Jazz will need 376 pilots this year. 196 are coming from GGN, leaving 180 spots for OTS from today to January 2020?
Yup. But that is just an estimate with a lot of underlying assumptions that may change. There may also be another bid run later this year which will update the total number of pilots required and number of vacancies.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by B1900Driver » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:04 am

rudder wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:56 am
B1900Driver wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:20 am
So if I understand correctly, Jazz will need 376 pilots this year. 196 are coming from GGN, leaving 180 spots for OTS from today to January 2020?
Yup. But that is just an estimate with a lot of underlying assumptions that may change. There may also be another bid run later this year which will update the total number of pilots required and number of vacancies.
Ok, thanks for the info!! Hopefully training will pick up the pace and us in the pool get called! :)
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by PostmasterGeneral » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:21 am

B1900Driver wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:04 am
rudder wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:56 am
B1900Driver wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:20 am
So if I understand correctly, Jazz will need 376 pilots this year. 196 are coming from GGN, leaving 180 spots for OTS from today to January 2020?
Yup. But that is just an estimate with a lot of underlying assumptions that may change. There may also be another bid run later this year which will update the total number of pilots required and number of vacancies.
Ok, thanks for the info!! Hopefully training will pick up the pace and us in the pool get called! :)
Likely closer to the end of summer is my guess, as the jets transition over from GGN the training department will be pretty busy commensurate with that movement, as well as upgrade training to replace those who flow to AC.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by 47north » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:33 am

rudder wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:54 am
47north wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:19 pm
ssssssbob wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 pm
The MOS Q&A pdf stated that "Pilots in that base at the time of reduction have first choice on base vacancies"

If im interpreting this correctly, if I am reduced out of YYZ Q400, I will get first pick on the RJ over the GGN guys?
That is more or less correct. Read section 5-5 of the contract. Basically for each position reduced in YYZ off the Q, an equal number of open positions on the CRJ and/or Dash classic are considered base vacancies and those pilots based in YYZ will get first choice to bid on those positions before a pilot from another base. Since Georgian pilots technically don’t have a base on the Jazz roster , they have to bid a system vacancy and won’t necessarily get a YYZ RJ position.
Net increase in posted positions in YYZ is 150 including a net increase in 76 CA positions. Therefore, it is NOT a base bid.

All vacancies in YYZ will be filled in order of system seniority with the exception that no current YYZ based pilot can be forced off of the base.

GGN pilots do not have a base for the purpose of the bid.
Actually we are saying the same thing. Read the language:

01 All Vacancies shall be defined as base or system using the following criteria:
a) Base Vacancy:
Is a Vacancy that is restricted to a Pilot on the affected Base, if the awarding of
a Vacancy at that affected Base to a Pilot from another Base would cause a
displacement off the affected Base or a Reduction in Status. However, a
Captain may be displaced in Status by a more senior First officer on the affected
Base. This Captain then has the right to displace any junior Pilot.
b) System Vacancy:
All Vacancies other than Base Vacancies.

This section of the contract is all about base stability. In practice this means that any Q400 Captain or FO who is being displaced as a result of the reductions on that fleet in YYZ has the right to one of the vacancies on the base, either RJ or Classic Dash.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by rudder » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:43 am

47north wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:33 am

This section of the contract is all about base stability. In practice this means that any Q400 Captain or FO who is being displaced as a result of the reductions on that fleet in YYZ has the right to one of the vacancies on the base, either RJ or Classic Dash.
True. But it does not give ‘first rights’ to any specific vacancy on the base. All vacancies will be filled by system seniority and MAY be restricted or partially restricted to pilots already on the base.

If all 196 GGN pilots bid YYZ vacancies then some would not hold a position in YYZ as junior Jazz pilots on the base have first rights to the base, but not to equipment nor seat.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by 47north » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:45 am

rudder wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:43 am
47north wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:33 am

This section of the contract is all about base stability. In practice this means that any Q400 Captain or FO who is being displaced as a result of the reductions on that fleet in YYZ has the right to one of the vacancies on the base, either RJ or Classic Dash.
True. But it does not give ‘first rights’ to any specific vacancy on the base. All vacancies will be filled by system seniority and MAY be restricted or partially restricted to pilots already on the base.

If all 196 GGN pilots bid YYZ vacancies then some would not hold a position in YYZ as junior Jazz pilots on the base have first rights to the base, but not to equipment nor seat.
Correct
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by Inverted2 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:39 am

B1900Driver wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:20 am
So if I understand correctly, Jazz will need 376 pilots this year. 196 are coming from GGN, leaving 180 spots for OTS from today to January 2020?
Plus some retirements/early retirements on top of that. Not to mention more and more going on medical leave.
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Re: Bid 2019

Post by rudder » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:14 am

Corrected number - 203 pilots from GGN signed up for Jazz and will be participating in Bid 2019-01.

If there are any GGN pilots reading this - have you been provided with guidance for equipment bidding from Jazz or ALPA? Bidding deadline is February 23rd.
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