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August Equip Bid

Post by Transition9er2 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:29 am

Hi all,

Just wondering what the word is out there about an August bid. With all the hiring we’re doing I can’t imagine the training department has the ability to add a ton of equipment changes and upgrades, but with the movement out of the company it’d also suggest the company ‘needs’ a bid.

Thoughts?

Also, welcome aboard to all the new hires!
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by av8ts » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:55 pm

Once Rouge takes over all the YFC YSJ flying there’s not much need for a YYZ Q base. Do YYZ crews continue to DH east or west to start every pairing? YVR Q base will continue to grow. Out east do we open a YHZ Q base? Way more flying there for the Q than YYZ but open a base or continue to dh crews from YYZ and YUL? Or just YUL?
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by KenoraPilot » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:27 pm

My "guess" is that we will see an Aug Bid. I bet you'll see reductions and "re-alignment" from the delayed GGN handover etc. I expect to see the YYZ Q400 base closed and moved to either YUL, YYC (possibly YVR). This may happen on the Jan bid, but I do expect it to happen.
I expect to see the YYC DH8 base show some major reductions on CA/FO sides equally and an increase of Q positions and possibly RJ. I personally hope to see the YYC base stabilize or grow a little bit as its been shrinking over the last few bids. YVR I expect to stay stable and YUL to stay stable.

I do expect to see some more upgrades as people are taking the flow through to AC and as the GGN planes are coming across. Along with the forecasted AC hiring over the fall and into early 2020. Again this is all a "guess" and I really have no clue what might happen.

Good luck to all, and we should see the Bid by Aug 15th ish.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by Rowdy » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:35 pm

I generally agree with KP,

However I think there will be a bit more growth in YVR. I'd be surprised to see any changes to the YYC DH8 base. It fills a very unique niche, especially with the addition of the GGN 1900 flying.

Isn't the YYZ Q doing a lot of that eastern flying? or is it mostly YUL? I don't look too closely at their bid pacs anymore.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't run an august bid again..
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by KenoraPilot » Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:50 pm

Rowdy wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:35 pm
I generally agree with KP,

However I think there will be a bit more growth in YVR. I'd be surprised to see any changes to the YYC DH8 base. It fills a very unique niche, especially with the addition of the GGN 1900 flying.

Isn't the YYZ Q doing a lot of that eastern flying? or is it mostly YUL? I don't look too closely at their bid pacs anymore.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't run an august bid again..
The YYC DH8 base "is" slated to be reduced to 14CA and 12FO and currently there are 30 and 28. I just expect Aug or Jan to accelerate this reduction as many of the YYC DH8 CA are not going to AC. Also a large large majority of YYC DH8 flying is YVR, YYZ based flying and only a small portion of our bid pack is YYC based flying (including the GGN flying).

I also think for no other reason then to re-align the training dates for a majority of people they will run an AUG bid. So many training schedules were messed up (especially in YYZ) because of the 737 Max and GGN slow down.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by C-GGGQ » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:10 pm

Rowdy wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:35 pm

Isn't the YYZ Q doing a lot of that eastern flying? or is it mostly YUL? I don't look too closely at their bid pacs anymore.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't run an august bid again..
That eastern flying is being taken off the Q and given to rouge 319
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by av8ts » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:34 am

C-GGGQ wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:10 pm
Rowdy wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:35 pm

Isn't the YYZ Q doing a lot of that eastern flying? or is it mostly YUL? I don't look too closely at their bid pacs anymore.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't run an august bid again..
That eastern flying is being taken off the Q and given to rouge 319
There is lot of eastern flying out of YHZ to BOS YQY YDF YQX YYR YYT that is done by YYZ Q base is not scheduled to go to Rouge
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:54 am

av8ts wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:34 am
C-GGGQ wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:10 pm
Rowdy wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:35 pm

Isn't the YYZ Q doing a lot of that eastern flying? or is it mostly YUL? I don't look too closely at their bid pacs anymore.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't run an august bid again..
That eastern flying is being taken off the Q and given to rouge 319
There is lot of eastern flying out of YHZ to BOS YQY YDF YQX YYR YYT that is done by YYZ Q base is not scheduled to go to Rouge
Fair enough. Heck with all those routes a yhz base might not be a bad idea
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by dhc# » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:37 pm

Any Jazz types out there got an update/info on the August bid ??
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by KenoraPilot » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:28 pm

dhc# wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:37 pm
Any Jazz types out there got an update/info on the August bid ??
Hasn't come out yet, usually comes out Aug 15th (or close to it) I expect to see it Aug 15 or 16th.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by FlameKPT » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:13 pm

Last rumor I heard was the August bid wasnt happening till Sept.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by ehv8oar » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:13 am

I know it's just a guess but does anybody reckon there might be a return of a yhz base in the future?

Also as somebody who's applying to Jazz and lives in Halifax, which base gives the most overnights in yhz (I'm guessing Toronto)?

Thanks :)
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by Rowdy » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:16 pm

Highly unlikely they will open another base. Especially YHZ, but ya just never know any more.

As for overnights, thats a difficult one as the schedule changes frequently. I see something different every time I open a monthly bid package these days it seems. I'm going to guess the CRJ and Q from YUL and then YYZ would be the two that saw the most eastern overnights.
ehv8oar wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:13 am
I know it's just a guess but does anybody reckon there might be a return of a yhz base in the future?

Also as somebody who's applying to Jazz and lives in Halifax, which base gives the most overnights in yhz (I'm guessing Toronto)?

Thanks :)
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by dhc# » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:13 pm

KenoraPilot wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:28 pm
dhc# wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:37 pm
Any Jazz types out there got an update/info on the August bid ??
Hasn't come out yet, usually comes out Aug 15th (or close to it) I expect to see it Aug 15 or 16th.
Once it comes out, would appreciate it, if you guys could share the info/opinions/rumours regarding hiring and bases going into 2020....
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by KenoraPilot » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:02 am

The equipment bid will be delayed until Sept or possibly later (officially)
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by ehv8oar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:25 pm

Highly unlikely they will open another base. Especially YHZ, but ya just never know any more.

As for overnights, thats a difficult one as the schedule changes frequently. I see something different every time I open a monthly bid package these days it seems. I'm going to guess the CRJ and Q from YUL and then YYZ would be the two that saw the most eastern overnights.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by dhc# » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:07 pm

KenoraPilot wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:02 am
The equipment bid will be delayed until Sept or possibly later (officially)
Is the delay due to the Max issues at AC or with the Georgian pilots coming over or the economy ??? Whats the latest if anybody knows...
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by Rowdy » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:18 pm

dhc# wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:07 pm
KenoraPilot wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:02 am
The equipment bid will be delayed until Sept or possibly later (officially)
Is the delay due to the Max issues at AC or with the Georgian pilots coming over or the economy ??? Whats the latest if anybody knows...
We were told it was a combination of the ongoing Georgian issue, the late release of the winter and future flying schedules from air canada which may be related to the 737 max issues.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by KenoraPilot » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:44 pm

Basically AC hasn’t told Jazz yet what it wants as they probably don’t know what they want. Word is the bud will come out Aug 30th or until they delay again.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by Babar350 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:51 pm

Now that AC bid is out Jazz will need lots of pilots if AC needs to fill each GS with 60% of Jazz pilots.

I think Jazz will need to give AC 480 pilots ... ouch
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by fish4life » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:13 pm

Babar350 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:51 pm
Now that AC bid is out Jazz will need lots of pilots if AC needs to fill each GS with 60% of Jazz pilots.

I think Jazz will need to give AC 480 pilots ... ouch
That assuming the 600+ Transat pilots aren’t filling a bunch of them
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by TSAM » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:45 am

fish4life wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:13 pm
Babar350 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:51 pm
Now that AC bid is out Jazz will need lots of pilots if AC needs to fill each GS with 60% of Jazz pilots.

I think Jazz will need to give AC 480 pilots ... ouch
That assuming the 600+ Transat pilots aren’t filling a bunch of them
That's exactly what's going to happen. There's only 650 of us, but we are going to fill all 800+ AC spots.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by fish4life » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:30 am

Not all, but if after the whole shakedown with Transat AC only needs 400 pilots instead of 800 that drops the Jazz requirement to 240. I don’t want people to make a decision assuming AC is going to take almost 500 Jazz pilots next year.
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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by Outlaw58 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:46 am

With everything that needs to happen before the sale is finalized, company restructures and unions come to agreement, it is fairly safe to say that AT will continue to operate "as is" for at least another year if not more. Thinking that AT pilots will come in flocks in AC ground school in the next year to fill those bid positions is a bit shortsighted.

Further down the road, maybe but not before then.

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Re: August Equip Bid

Post by dhc# » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:18 am

There are many variables, but does anyone have a somewhat accurate "guesstimate" for how many AC will take from Jazz going into 2020 and beyond ??

I get the delayed Jazz bid will detail more but I am curious to what everyone thinks will happen...
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