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Transport Canada just approved Jazz Air for scheduled domectic and international service ;

Decision No. 520-A-2010
December 23, 2010

CONCLUSION

[14] The Agency is satisfied that Jazz Air meets the requirements of section 61 of the CTA.

[15] Accordingly, the Agency approves Jazz Air's application for a licence to operate a domestic service, large aircraft.


Decision No. 521-A-2010
December 23, 2010

CONCLUSION

[15] The Agency concludes that Jazz Air meets the requirements of subsection 69(1) of the CTA.

[16] Accordingly, the Agency approves the application for a licence to operate a scheduled international service, large aircraft.

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What does that have to do with A320's or B767's at Jazz Air?
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What does that have to do with A320's or B767's at Jazz Air?
Easy...if you haven't heard a good rumour by noon (or 11:29 in this case) start one!
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Pffffffft....... doesn't mean much of anything. But they better get even more imaginative on their business model. Air Canada is likely going to pound Jazz into the dirt and leave it to rot in a few years.
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vortac wrote:Pffffffft....... doesn't mean much of anything. But they better get even more imaginative on their business model. Air Canada is likely going to pound Jazz into the dirt and leave it to rot in a few years.
Not likely.

Odds are that the TC operation is expanding or more charter work is coming down the pipe.
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I heard that four A380 are on the way to Canada, subleased from Emirates! I will give EK access to Canadian market and destroy any competition!! :lol:

You guys are really, really bored sometimes....go play outside and throw snowballs, it's good for you :D
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Next season: 5 more B757
Season 3: 11 B757, 5 A321.
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" Pffffffft....... doesn't mean much of anything. But they better get even more imaginative on their business model. Air Canada is likely going to pound Jazz into the dirt and leave it to rot in a few years. "

They said that about Westjet about a decade and a half ago.
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Just to stir the pot a little, why would we need scheduled service for a charter operation? Does TC have any sheduled service to any destinations. Also the entire CTA application mentions specifically U.S service.
I believe I predicted about 6 months ago that AC will divide into to separate entities, International and Domestic, and then sell the domestic to Jazz. Welcome to the BOTL my Air Canada brothers and sisters :lol:
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With the approval, what it allows is us being able to carry pax from say Yyz-yul load up more than head south.

Just as sunwing does now. As it stands I believe right now webcams ferried the aircraft to domestic destinations to get pax.
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mbav8r wrote:Welcome to the BOTL my Air Canada brothers and sisters :lol:
Don't poke the bear! :bear:
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" Pffffffft....... doesn't mean much of anything. But they better get even more imaginative on their business model. Air Canada is likely going to pound Jazz into the dirt and leave it to rot in a few years. "

They said that about Westjet about a decade and a half ago.
yea, but WJ does it's own flying. Jazz is and will only be a CPA type company, so imho any other work jazz gets is great, but AC will always be it's main source of flying and should probably focus on also making them happy and not just pissing them off every chance they get. With sky regional in the picture things can easily flip come 2020.
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The only ones getting pissed off are ACPA.

Sky Regional is one the reasons Jazz (Chorus Aviation) is focusing a lot of effort into expanding into other flying. Anything outside the CPA has no affect on the CPA flying so no attention is being diverted at Jazz.

If you read some of my previous posts on the matter you will see me state time and time again. You NEVER mix emotions with business. This is why line pilots should never run a company. ACE doesn't care about TC, charter flying or anything related to Jazz and flying outside the CPA, only ACPA does. ACE's focus is on the CPA flying whether it is flown by Jazz or someone else, that's it. Dollars and cents, on time performance and the bottom line, that's it. If you think otherwise you're nuts and it's a good thing you don't make any day to day business decision.
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Teacher, isn't ACE's investment share diminishing quickly. With that, goes its influence. Ihave no doubt that you are correct in regards to their focus on revenue, profit and the likes, but the times are changing. AC seems to be more focused on LONG TERM viability.........how this manifests itself will be open for debate.
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tailgunner wrote:Teacher, isn't ACE's investment share diminishing quickly. With that, goes its influence. Ihave no doubt that you are correct in regards to their focus on revenue, profit and the likes, but the times are changing. AC seems to be more focused on LONG TERM viability.........how this manifests itself will be open for debate.
Agreed, ACE's focus will be on the long term and that "long term" means cutting costs both in ACE and by suppliers like Jazz. When you really think about it nobody at Jazz is surprised by the Sky Regional move. I even heard one ALPA rep say they were suprised it took them this long to do it. All this really emphasizes the fact that the best way for Jazz to survive and grow is to diversify into other types of flying for other careers or ourselves if and when the time is right.
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If the long term plan is to be done with Jazz and seek other regional uplift .. I think it will take longer then 10 yrs. Why do I say that? Look at the present Sky Regional deal .. we're only talking 4 or 5 airplanes between Montreal and Toronto Island, they've had 8 or 9 months to get this ball rolling, and they still won't be ready on time.

I understand its a semi-start-up operation .. but with all the smart people at Skyservice, i'd have expected better to be honest.

I'm interested to see if Jazz will have to start the service for the interm.
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teacher wrote:The only ones getting pissed off are ACPA.
Hmmm...I don't know about that. The ALPA MEC recently sent out a newsletter which mentioned that Air Canada had expressed concern regarding the allocation of resources between the CPA vs. Thomas Cook. If Jazz neglects the CPA they will find many more SkyRegionals in line to take their place.
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The operations have different people work'n for them and there are no sharing of resources other than dispatch and crew sched I'm pretty sure. Jazz hired additional AMEs and contracts out the ground services out of T3. There's no diversion of resources and it would make no sense to do so since the CPA is still way ahead in terms of revenue.

Now, I'm just a mushroom line Peelot but from what I've heard and seen that is the case.

As for more Sky Regionals the only reason that is happening is cost cost cost as stated by a recent AC conference call. CR was asked why Sky and not jazz and his answer was straight forward, "COST". Any start up will be cheaper than a pre existing airline.

BTW, I just took a look at the ALPA Memos for 2010 and there are none concerning diversion of resouces from the CPA to TC.
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Jazz Air would be much better off financially if they were to operate as a stand alone carrier. AC knows this. AC needs Jazz more than Jazz needs AC.
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Redwine wrote:Jazz Air would be much better off financially if they were to operate as a stand alone carrier. AC knows this. AC needs Jazz more than Jazz needs AC.
Are you sure? Standing alone means you'd have to pay for your own fuel.
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and grd handling services and pax service and reservation too, if I'm not mistaken
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and lose the guaranteed uplift from the CPA, C2 passes?

You've had too much, redwine.
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sorry, repost.
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scopiton wrote:and grd handling services and pax service and reservation too, if I'm not mistaken

In fact, Jazz has to use AC grd and pax handling services whenever it is an AC staffed airport, as per the CPA.

Everything else is pass-through cost........ meaning that the one who is actually making a profit out of the service has to assume the fuel, nav and airport fees.


And what does the C2 passes have to do with this anyways?[/quote]


By the way...... I have personnaly seen Jazz rampies running on the ramp, in order to get a repositionning flight out on time at a remote base.......... In YUL Jazz flights have a hard time having ground crews to be there on time to marshall the aircraft in....
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whiteguy wrote:
Redwine wrote:Jazz Air would be much better off financially if they were to operate as a stand alone carrier. AC knows this. AC needs Jazz more than Jazz needs AC.
Are you sure? Standing alone means you'd have to pay for your own fuel.
Jazz provides lift to AC for a price. Do you really think that Jazz should, would or could just 'throw the gas in for free' Grow the phuck up.
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