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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:53 am 
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Original Aircanada Losers. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:27 pm 
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OAL = other air line

The list on Jazznet is older than the list on the Jumpseat committee web page. While not on the Jazznet list, I see Keewatin listed on the newer ALPA page.



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:56 pm 
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Thanks Canoehead. I will have to take a look at that one. Kinda crappy that they don't match.


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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:46 pm 
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Strange that you say to talk to the crew beforehand. I'm fairly up to snuff on US jumpseat procedures (where you NEVER under any circumstances omit asking the Captains permission personally), but every time I've ever jumpseated with Canadian Airliens I've asked the gate agents if I should speak to the captain beforehand. Not once have they told me to, nor allowed me to. With WestJet, the pilots usually don't even know I was on the plane until I shake their hand afterwards and say thanks.

My company has OAL recips as well, would you recommend I go out of my way to speak to them before hand anyway?



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:29 am 
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In Canada we have allowed jumpseats to be taken out of the hands of the Captain, in the US the Captain still owns the jumpseats. They were willing to fight for it down there, we weren't. It's as simple as that.

However, all reciprocal jumpseat agreements that I have ever seen require Captain's permission even though you are not in the cockpit. It's not well known, and most crews are surprised when you do it, but it is a requirement nonetheless. It's in your best interest to go to the cockpit every time you board on a jumpseat ticket and say hello and thank you to the crew if you haven't already gotten permission. In one case when I did so the Captain was surprised that he hadn't been told before and went up the bridge against traffic to explain to the gate agent that they have to get his permission before loading any jumpseat pilots. I would suggest all Captains should be doing the same thing. In the US when they lost their in cockpit reciprocal jumpseats many Captains made it a point to walk through the boarding lounge before each flight looking for commuting pilots as part of a "no pilot left behind" campaign. In Canada it seems we couldn't care less about who gets left behind.



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:05 pm 
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At the same time Westjet offers as many JS that there are seats
available in the plane ...

So if everybody starts saying hello to the crew
I can already see the line up in front of the flight deck door :D ...

Like you mentioned : it's not anymore the captain business in Canada ...
All that maters are the numbers in the FMS at the end :)



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:20 pm 
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mars4 wrote:
So if everybody starts saying hello to the crew
I can already see the line up in front of the flight deck door :D ...

It is still a requirement, even with Westjet.



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 6:58 pm 
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Now that I'm a jumpseater on Jazz flights I find that the agents lately have been good about asking the captain, or if its an agent I know (in YYZ or YSB) they just make me go ask. I like to go up to ask permission either way, plus it's a good way to catch up with my friends at Jazz. At WJ, I haven't had a single soul come up to talk to us, but I think that has more to do with the fact that I just haven't many (or any) jumpers.

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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:47 am 
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EC,

I was just flying with a Captain the other day whom heard you had tried to get the physical jump seat with your WJ ID.
I doubt this is what happened, however the practice of asking the Captain via the gate agent made the request come off the wrong way. Just as a heads up, don't! Do as everyone else and board by Thanking the crew at the beginning or end for the ride. Your name has been thrown around as being kinda "Sneaky" as a ex employee trying to get the jump seat up front! Again, I know it is not what your doing (cause you know we can't anyway), but some guys are getting that idea on the line when getting asked by the agent if we can take a jumpseater.



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:44 am 
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So we all agree the procedure is to ask the desk agent first? Then thank the pilots when boarding the airplane?


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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:56 am 
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Agreed.


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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:32 pm 
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As for me trying to "sneak" into the j/s, I know the time you're taking about. The agent was the one who asked for me, I did not initiate the request at all. I think he either didn't know I was at WJ, or didn't know the j/s rules. I told him afterward that I couldn't physically sit in the jump anymore. I'll PM you a funny story about that topic.

Kind of funny that after my post yesterday I see a Jazz f/o getting off the plane in YYC today who made no effort to come up before the flight...we had no clue we had a jumper. I'm not too upset, because judging by his brand new roller bag and wrinkle-free uniform, he was probably pretty new. Perhaps with all the new-hires at all airlines it's time for our respective associations to put out a memo on j/s etiquette. I know the ALPA board always had at least one thread going about someone venting about other companies' j/s etiquette.

Lets keep the (nearly) free rides going!
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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:39 pm 
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Beach 200, I can't seem to PM you. Send me a PM if you can.

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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:00 pm 
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I used to jump on WJ often back when I commuted, rarely the door was open after the flight so for the most part they rarely new I was there. Not sure what etiquette your talking about, I've had a lot of j/s and if they say thanks or not it is no big deal either way. Its a reciprocal program we both benefit.


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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
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The etiquette I refer to is simply saying thank you to the captain for the ride, rather than acting like he owes you a ride because your company offers him the same courtesy. And it is just that, professional courtesy. And I was taught as a child that when someone is courteous towards you, you thank them.

And on the legal side, some companies' COMs have a rule that the PIC must (MUST) check the j/s pilot's ID. I know Jazz is this way. Porter is the same. Our COM at WJ is pretty vague, but when you follow the paper trail on our company intranet, in one area it says that a license/medical and/or company MUST be presented at some point. Another document clearly states that the PIC has final say on whether or not a jumpseater rides. My guess is that since our COM points to other documents, most guys aren't aware of the actual rules.

As for our doors being closed after a flight, in my experience we always open up ASAP, usually within a minute or two after shutdown (as long as the cabin door is open). Bottom line, we're always happy when we can help out another pilot. As a commuter who uses the recip j/s on every commute, I love knowing that the free rides go both ways.

Take care!
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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:04 am 
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JUMPSEAT ETIQUETTE
(A reprint of an article by Captain Brigitte Lakah, UPS 757/767)
Jumpseating is a professional courtesy among airline pilots, and one of the best
benefits of being a pilot. It is used to commute to and from work and for leisure
travel. The captain is the final authority as to who rides and is not to be
challenged at any time, for any reason. If denied a jumpseat, say “thanks
anyway” and try a different flight.
A growing number of airlines have been approved to use the Cockpit Access
Security System (CASS) to identify crewmembers and will let them sit in their
cockpit if the flight is full. Airlines that have not been CASS approved will let you
ride in the passenger cabin only if there is an empty passenger seat. To sit in the
cockpit, you must be properly dressed (business casual, usually), and present
your airline ID and passport to the gate agent who will verify your identity and
employment. Know your own airline’s code too, as this must also be input into
the CASS system.
Some airlines will allow multiple, or “unlimited” jumpseaters, while some only
allow the amount of jumpseaters equal to the number of jumpseats in the cockpit.
Presently you may not sit in the cockpit of an airline on international flights. You
may only obtain a seat in the passenger cabin. Some airlines will give you a first
or business class seat, and some won’t. Keep in mind that most airlines who
allow jumpseating internationally require that you check-in 75 to 90 minutes prior
to departure in order to satisfy TSA requirements.
If you have a question or a problem with jumpseating around the system, contact
your own airline’s jumpseat coordinator. Be prepared with detailed information
such as the date, time, airport, gate, name(s), etc.
Common courtesy is a must while jumpseating. Ask the gate agent when they
would like you to board. Upon reaching the airplane, introduce yourself to the
lead flight attendant and ask if you may ask the captain for a ride. Never bypass
asking the captain, even if the agent gave you a boarding pass with a seat
assignment. If sitting in the cockpit, comply with sterile cockpit rules and offer to
help out (monitoring ATC, scanning for traffic, passing beverages, etc.).
Lastly, give the captain and first officer thanks for giving the ride.
Always be the consummate professional while jumpseating. It is far and away
one of the best career benefits we have.



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:12 am 
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Here's another one from ALPA

Jumpseat Etiquette and Courtesy
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Remember that jumpseating is a privilege and not a right. The following etiquette guidelines and restrictions should always be observed while exercising jumpseat privileges:

• Dress code is uniform, business, or business casual.

• Jumpseat availability is usually first come, first served (however, most airlines give their own pilots and in some cases subsidiaries a higher priority). Most, but not all, airlines allow multiple jumpseat riders when unoccupied cabin seats are available. The captain makes the final decisions, not the gate agent or “computer.” Due consideration to union affiliation is also a consideration when conflicts arise.

• Check-in procedures vary by airport and airline. Allow sufficient time to check in at either the ticket counter, gate, or in some cases both.

• Remember, jumpseating is a privilege requiring professional conduct at all times. Be courteous to agents when requesting the jumpseat. Always ask the captain’s permission and offer thanks for the ride, even if occupying a cabin seat. Never let an agent rush you past the cockpit without asking the captain’s permission. FARs require the captain to know you are on board. Identify yourself as a jumpseater to the flight attendants when boarding. Some airlines require non-revenue passengers and jumpseaters to board last and conversely deplane last.

• Leave your bags on the jet bridge (or otherwise ‘out of the way’) while you are introducing yourself. Limit your carry-on bags to a minimum when jumpseating. This behooves you because you are most likely one of the last to board—when overhead space is quite limited.

• Even employees and other non-revs will have priority over jumpseaters, who generally have the lowest priority of anyone. You may be asked to deplane at the last minute. Airlines will not delay flights for jumpseaters. If we cause delays on other airlines, we could jeopardize reciprocal agreements with that airline.

• Remember that you are an additional crew member. That means that if you are sitting in the flight deck, keep your eyes and ears open. Wear a headset. Follow sterile cockpit rules, but speak up when necessary. Remember to turn off your cell phone as soon as you get in the cockpit, and cease text messaging. Even during cruise, it is best practice while in the cockpit to ask the captain if he/she minds if you read or do a crossword puzzle, etc. Remember, 10,000 feet and below is a sterile cockpit environment (in some cases, above 10,000 feet also) and, as an additional crewmember, reading, talking, etc. are not allowed. Your best behavior ensures jumpseat agreements in the future.

• If offered a seat in first class by the captain, inform the lead flight attendant of this permission. A first-class seat doesn’t automatically entitle you to the same first class benefits as revenue passengers. If they can accommodate you in first class, do not drink alcoholic beverages. While you are exercising the privileges afforded you by FAR 121.547 or 121.583 (i.e., jumpseating), you are considered an additional crewmember, and the alcohol limitations of FAR 91 apply. Just because you get a seat in the back does not relieve you from this responsibility. Even when in plainclothes, remember that you are still considered an additional crewmember by most airlines, and you may be required to perform duties in case of unusual or emergency circumstances.

• Always express your gratitude to the crew when deplaning. No matter how rushed, remember to say “Thank you.” Some airlines’ policies are for non-revs (including jumpseaters) to deplane last. Again, stay out of the way of revenue passengers, and provide any assistance, if necessary. Use your best judgment, especially if you stowed your bags farther aft than your seat.

• Be polite and courteous to gate agents. Remember that they do not get the same benefits of riding on other carriers for free, but never, ever let them talk you into taking the jumpseat or becoming a jumpseater on a flight for which you are ticketed—no matter how nicely they ask or what type of favor you may think you are doing them. They may even offer you vouchers, but this practice has resulted in lost reciprocal jumpseat agreements in the past. The jumpseat belongs to the captain, not the gate agent! It is not just another seat!

• If you have any questions, suggestions, comments, and/or complaints, please contact your Jumpseat coordinator. Be prepared with detailed information such as the date, time, gate (so it can be accurately tracked through CASS), and name of the gate agent.

Always be the consummate professional while jumpseating. It is one of the most valuable career benefits we have



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
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Two great articles, thanks for posting them!


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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:12 am 
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"FARs require the captain to know you are on board"

...as is the case with CAR's. It is a violation not to know.



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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:19 am 
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Bajan Pilot wrote:
"FARs require the captain to know you are on board"

...as is the case with CAR's. It is a violation not to know.

Would you happen to have the regulatory reference handy for that?



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:01 am 
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Hey guys, got almost bumped the other day when I asked for a jumpseat by a Jazz captain. Although I've JS numerous times with Jazz recently, the captain couldn't find my company's name on his carrier list, which he showed me. I'm guessing he showed me the OAL list. Where is the most recent up to date list for carriers allowed to JS with Jazz? Somebody mentionned the ALPA webpage. Anyone?
You can PM me the information if needed.

Thanks folks.



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:36 pm 
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JLA,

I'm pretty sure I was the Capt of that flight. (out of YZV ?)

When ALPA came out with their iPhone App that included the OAL list, I thought 'great ! I won't have to carry and update the stupid paper list anymore!".
Well, as you saw, the list on the App is not up to date, and is certainly different than the printable list shown on our ALPA website page. There's even a link to download the App in the ALPA jumseat webpage. I guess now I'll download the printable list as well !
And as you read in this thread, I might not be the only one confused on this. So much for trying to follow the rules! :smt017

Anyways, when you mentionned Calm Air and Bearskin, you were on.
I hope the rest of your trip went well.



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
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What is Jazz's policy on wearing jeans while occupying the jumpseat? At AC, jeans are allowed as long as they are neat and clean. A Jazz FA just noticed I was wearing jeans and commented I was lucky I had a seat in the back because jeans in the jumpseat was not permitted. This seems a little weird, anyone know the actual policy. As a regular commuter I would hate to be rufused the jump due to my own ignorance.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:24 pm 
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klimman123 wrote:
What is Jazz's policy on wearing jeans while occupying the jumpseat? At AC, jeans are allowed as long as they are neat and clean. A Jazz FA just noticed I was wearing jeans and commented I was lucky I had a seat in the back because jeans in the jumpseat was not permitted. This seems a little weird, anyone know the actual policy. As a regular commuter I would hate to be rufused the jump due to my own ignorance.

Cheers


Business casual or better. I doubt most guys actually care, but as always there are a few who have problems working outside the box.



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 Post subject: Re: Jumpseat Priority
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:31 am 
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Most guys won't care. Some do. I got on a flight one time and had the ICFA come up to me and tell me that the Captain had noticed my shoes when I got on and thought they were a little too casual for his liking. She was very adamant that I was luck to get by with this particular captain.


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