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How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#1 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:54 am

I've been hearing that Jazz has been granting LOA this winter and that a number of Jazz pilots are taking this opportunity to go work at Sunwing as winter seasonal pilots.

If confirmed , this would be a great turn of events.

How many Jazz pilots have actually taken a LOA and how many of those have applied/been hired as seasonal pilots at Sunwing ?

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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#2 Post by TrailerParkBoy » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:51 pm

I cannot say any were granted LOAs to go to Sunwing, however, I do know that some quit Jazz to go to Sunwing full time!
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#3 Post by truedude » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:48 pm

I don't know the number of LOA's that were granted, but I can confirm that some of the pilots who were granted LOA's have taken seasonal positions with SunWing. Seems to be something that works well for everyone.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#4 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:20 am

So does Jazz have much more flying in the summer than in winter?
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#5 Post by 47north » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:40 am

Gilles Hudicourt wrote:So does Jazz have much more flying in the summer than in winter?
Yes there is an imbalance between the summer and winter schedule. That's why the Thomas Cook flying worked out well from a crewing perspective.

Maybe AT and Jazz should explore a pilot interchange for the winter months. Would make both companies more efficient and better than contracting foreign pilots to do the work.
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#6 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:58 am

How many excess pilots are we talking about ? Jazz did no seasonal lay offs as far as I know, so they just bit the bullet and kept the pilots on board during winter months.

I heard of rumors of a Jazz/Sunwing agreement on pilot sharing this winter but am unable to get confirmation. I am getting conflicting information.

Some Jazz pilots told me they knew about it but when they applied to Sunwing they were turned down.
I heard that other Jazz pilots wanted to go work at Sunwing as seasonal pilots but had their LOA turned down by Jazz. Some went anyway so basically quit. Others decided to stay put, not willing to quit a full time job for a seasonal one.
Some pilots know about the deal, other insiders tell me they have never heard of it

What is really going on ?

I have a feeling this is being kept hush hush........ and I think I know why.<

I think that an Air Transat/Jazz pilot sharing scheme is a great idea for the 2014/2015 season should we require additional seasonal pilots.

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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#7 Post by mbav8r » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:38 am

Gilles,
I know of one Captain for sure who has an LOA and went to Sunwing. As for how many were given out, I have not seen anything in writing so your guess would be as good as mine. My understanding is that we have a surplus of Captains and a shortage of FOs, so our MEC and the company came up with a short term solution to allow surplus Captains to be assigned FO flying during the monthly bid as well as on reserve.
When we get the forecasted summer 2014 flying, if there is still a surplus of Captains, I suspect there will be downgrades and no need to hire for FO positions, of course that is unless we continue to lose FOs to other companies.
Also, it is my understanding that no FO LOAs were approved, so some quit and took seasonal spots at Sunwing, hoping for it to turn full time.
I'm very curious about this,
I have a feeling this is being kept hush hush........ and I think I know why
PM me if you don't want to speculate out loud.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#8 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:17 am

My hush hush speculation did not concern Jazz...... but another company whose business plan would not allow it admit there were qualified pilots in Canada if the even if the said pilots all camped out on their front lawn........
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#9 Post by tdp19 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:23 am

LOA's apparently were rewarded solely on type of airplane/bas
you flew and if they were heavy or not on that airplane for winter months. I know of three pilots forsure on loa to sunwing, i think the actual # on loa to sunwing is between 7-10
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#10 Post by scooby » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:31 am

Does anyone know roughly how many excess Captains there currently are?
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#11 Post by mbav8r » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:12 am

I believe it was in the neighborhood of 30.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#12 Post by rudder » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:03 am

Gilles Hudicourt wrote:I've been hearing that Jazz has been granting LOA this winter and that a number of Jazz pilots are taking this opportunity to go work at Sunwing as winter seasonal pilots.

If confirmed , this would be a great turn of events.

How many Jazz pilots have actually taken a LOA and how many of those have applied/been hired as seasonal pilots at Sunwing ?

Gilles
In the spring of 2013 when SW posted permanent vacancies approximately 6 pilots left Jazz for permanent employment at SW. In the fall of 2013 when SW posted seasonal vacancies approximately 12 Jazz pilots accepted positions.

You are correct that this appears to be a perfect scenario for a formal crew interchange agreement between Canadian companies but no such arrangement exists anywhere yet. Hopefully that will change if not at SW then perhaps at AT.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#13 Post by indieadventurer » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:11 pm

mbav8r wrote:Also, it is my understanding that no FO LOAs were approved, so some quit and took seasonal spots at Sunwing, hoping for it to turn full time.
I know one FO who got his LOA for Sunwing.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#14 Post by scooby » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:52 pm

Any word on hiring for the new year?
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#15 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:34 pm

If Sunwing and Jazz had signed an agreement where Jazz would agree to provide Leave of Absence to 100 pilots from Nov 1 to April 30th to go work at Sunwing, this would allow Sunwing to no longer have to import foreign pilots. They would train the 100 to 130 pilots on the 737, let them go back to Jazz for the summer season and would come back to Sunwing the following winter with their 737 rating still valid.
This would be a win/win/win situation for Sunwing, Jazz and Canadian pilots.

Now I have a couple questions to Jazz pilots about that scenario:

1) Could Jazz spare that many pilots in the winter ? Could the flying that needs to be done in the winter be done by the remaining pilots ?
2) Would Jazz pilots have the incentive to do that? It would involve changing aircraft types twice a year and maintaining currency on two types.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#16 Post by TrailerParkBoy » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:18 pm

I just have to say that Air Canada didn't like Jazz flying charters for Thomas Cook, and would guess that sharing resources with ACs competition would ruffle some feathers!
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#17 Post by teacher » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:25 am

That seems like a lot of pilots to spare, not sure what the numbers would have to be to make it work. I'm sure it would ruffle some feathers at AC HOWEVER this is not an economic agreement that would be bad for AC. Getting people off Jazz's payroll would actually help keep costs down I'm sure. I can't remember how big the 757 roster was but I'm guessing a total of 60 or so pilots maybe a little more.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#18 Post by biatch » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:37 am

73 pilots at its peak
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#19 Post by razorblade » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:51 am

@scooby - way to change the topic, buddy. Post in the appropriate thread, please.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#20 Post by av8ts » Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:04 pm

Well lets see...first Jazz did Thomas Cook flying in competition with AC (and deadheaded crews on Westjet just to rub some salt in that wound). And Jazz has taken AC to court at least twice that i know of....I'm guessing theirs no feathers left to ruffle.
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#21 Post by prop2jet » Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:51 pm

av8ts wrote:Well lets see...first Jazz did Thomas Cook flying in competition with AC (and deadheaded crews on Westjet just to rub some salt in that wound). And Jazz has taken AC to court at least twice that i know of....I'm guessing theirs no feathers left to ruffle.
I think you need to get your facts straight. I suspect that with respect to Thomas Cook, in season 1, the use of AC for Deadheading TC Crews did not bode well for the optics. The use of WJ in season 2, probably to diffuse the situation. As for Jazz taking AC to court... there is no going to court, they have been going through an arbitration process, an entirely different process.
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#22 Post by av8ts » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:03 pm

I'm guessing and your suspecting. We'll both know for sure by 2020
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#23 Post by Black Cat » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:07 pm

Or sooner if Calin runs off with his enormous amount of inflated shares and leaves AC hollowed out in another Ccaa like uncle Milton. Or perhaps jazz will be renegotiating with Rouge for a CPA?

The futures so bright I gotta...oh wait.
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Re: How many Jazz pilots took LOA to work at Sunwing

#24 Post by navajo_jay » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:14 pm

Anybordy heard that this coming friday the arbitration decision should come out? According to the last Air Canada conference call, they are very pleased by Jazz's performance.

http://bell.media-server.com/m/p/ksqa4cmx

interesting to listen, especially the questions at the end.
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