Love Letter to WestJet Employees

[Huge Hammer]

Your views intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Freeman Menard]

LMAO!
Thanks for the laugh, I do appreciate it, and when conflict raises its head, it is those who can laugh and make others laugh that have the control.

What gauge tin foil do you use?
Thin stuff does not work....

Rob

[Herc_Driver]

Hello Rob,

I find it quite interesting that in one breath you wish to have nothing to do with the democratically elected government of this country ……

...... I told them to just leave me alone but they can't seem to get it in their mind that I no longer wish to associate with them, and as such refuse to submit or abandon, or to apply or beg.....

That’s actually quite all right. I have no issue with that point. I actually believe that it is your right to want or desire to have nothing to do with the ruling party. That’s the joy of living in a democracy – comes with a price mind you, but one does get to choose. Lord knows those very same members of parliament that you so despise have driven me crazy from time to time too, and I remain a frustrated Canadian citizen like many of us here. I just express it differently than you, but that’s OK. We’re allowed to be different in this great country. I certainly don’t hold that against you.

But, be that as it may, I find your next action to be a hypocritical juxtaposition. On the one hand you deny the legitimacy of the duly elected government, you wish to be left alone by them, you refute its authority and legitimacy, and yet on the other you wish to then “utilize” two mechanisms of that very same capricious government as a means to your end..

....... Went to court today and got some documents, spoke with a lawyer and called the RCMP with whom I have an appointment and will be swearing out an information and taking it to court.......

.... I will be bringing action against Transport Canada and the Minister of Transport in Federal court …..

Surely, if you wish to be “left alone” and you feel that government issued ID has no more authority than a notarized piece of paper, then it doesn’t serve your argument well to then turn around and begin using that very same federal body you so vociferously decry.

While you refuse to “apply and beg” for a government issued piece of ID, you are fine with “applying” to the police force for a background check? You’re OK with “submitting an application to bring the Minister of Transport and Transport Canada to court”? Surely, in terms of your context, this is also “applying”, “submitting” or “begging”.

I could go get a police background check done which would include my whole life story and clearly identify me

Is it just the legal and law enforcement branches of the government that are the only two parts that DO hold legitimacy for you in your opinion? Or do you just selectively associate with the parts that only serve your interests when it best fits you?

To “use” the courts and the RCMP as a means to accomplish your ends against the federal government, whose legitimacy you refuse to acknowledge (and against WestJet for some reason), smacks of a philosophical flaw on a very fundamental level in your beliefs and actions.

[Rotten Apple #1]

Freeman. Please don't misunderstand my posts directed at you. I was merely probing for mettle fatigue. Accordingly, I think you have established your bona fides. Many here (of WJ employ) will unofficially lend support to proposals that eliminate gratuitous flaunting of our collective weaknesses by the Federales. The taxes alone cost us dear each hour of the day. And under whose right I ask!!

As employees we owe an allegiance to management. As share owners we have a duty to defend. Accordingly our interests become your interests become our interests and back again. You see?

Come back and engage and inspire. We are at heart free thinkers as pilots; but you must fight past our bluster, it's our first defense!

[Mustard]

I bet if you came down with a life threatening disease(God forbid) you would sign up for a Health card awefully quick.

After watching your video you sound like the typical hippie who will use any excuse not to pick up a tool belt
and earn a living. Time to grow up and stop expecting others to pay your way.

[stickontheice]

What I find strange is that you used a body that is "governed" by the Province of British Columbia to get your personal information, picture, and signature notarized. In that end you have an unofficial Province of British Columbia Identification card. Your ploy to confused the Customer Service Agent didn't work and now you're angry about it.

I checked out your website and more specifically your forum. Quite the bunch you have going on there. Ninjas and wolverines who specialize in hydroponics and energy trying to get out of student loans, trying to get out of traffic tickets or screwing over the hard working police. Use that above average intelligence you claim to have and gain meaningful employment that contributes to society instead of trying to "...claiming and seizing a valley...”

You broke your contract when you showed up without proper government issued ID. You entered a contract with WJ that you would follow rules laid out by WJ and Transport Canada when you purchased the ticket or agreed to exercise the privileges of that ticket.

What bothers me the most is that you want to fly WJ but you won't do your part to ensure our safety? By providing proper identification you're ensuring that you are who you say you are. At the end of the day I want my company to do everything it can to ensure that I'm safe and that my crew is safe too. I'm thankful you were denied boarding and that the system works. We have families and I don't want someone on my plane who wants to engage in terrorism. Who are you to put my safety at risk???

[wrc]

Huge Hammer, that was priceless.
Well, that poor soul is a good example of what bullying at school can lead to. Sort of a legal version of Columbine, kinda sad....

[stickontheice]

Ok...I know this guy is so far out there that even NASA couldn't get him home but how the heck did he get a letter with his picture, personal information and signature notarized without ID in the first place? They always ask you for ID at the Notary Public to notarize something.

By the way this took me 12 minutes to think about and write. You owe me $500 FM!

[Misha]

Stickontheice wrote: "I checked out your website and more specifically your forum. Quite the bunch you have going on there. Ninjas and wolverines"

So Johnny Dangerous, Huge Hammer, Hoghead and others are somehow better? They're just screen names Stick.

[Misha]

I bet if you came down with a life threatening disease(God forbid) you would sign up for a Health card awefully quick.

Health care can not be refused to any one in Canada; with or without a card. Without a card the presentment of a bill will do nicely.

[WFSPatrick]

The last few posts I see some scathing and immature remarks.
Even tho I dont agree with what you say I will fight for your right to say it.

Allow me to clarify a few of the topics I see addressed from the far side of the table.

1. We are not anti-government ~ we are anti-corrupt and abusive government
2. We are not a bunch of tree hugging hippies ~ we are a bunch of hard working and respectful Freemen. Fed up with our brothers and sisters being oppressed and taken advantage of around the world, this situation just brings it all home.
3. We are responsible, each one of us hold ourselves (respectively) fully accountable for ones own actions. Whether it is ones impact on the environment or seditious and libelous remarks, each and everyone of us knows we can and will be held to our own measure.
4. We believe the creators of the Canadian Constitution knew what they were writing when they wrote it, although policy makers now-a-days may not know which end is the head of the beast we feel that it should be upto all living souls in a region to determine what is right for them to live by and that decision should not be left upto the lofty & distant few.

Most pertinent to this topic would be;

The Constitution of Canada contains mobility rights expressly in section 6 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The rights specified include the right of citizens to leave and enter the country and the right of both citizens and permanent residents to move within its boundaries.

Section 9: freedom from arbitrary detainment or imprisonment.

section 24. (1) Anyone whose rights or freedoms, as guaranteed by this Charter, have been infringed or denied may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction to obtain such remedy as the court considers appropriate and just in the circumstances.

It is not our intention to involve any corporation other corrupt governments and their agents in our endevours to see a freer and more just society.

Respect is Paramount.
Govern yourselves accordingly.

Peace, Tranquility and Chocolate.
Patrick.

[Westjet SUCKS]

wow, i hope you guys are westjet employees, says a lot about the company... customer services is certainly something you all excel at. guess this is one flyer you'll never be seeing a cent from again, hope that hurts your bottom line as well, about 4k a month you all won't be making. seeing as your society is so great, simply pledge the work of your grandchildren and get a bailout.

mopes

[WFSPatrick]

Well it has been sometime since my last post and I still do not see it up maybe it was too lengthy...
Maybe it was to down to earth...

In lieu of my previous post all I want to say is summed up in;

Canada's Social Union Framework Agreement, an agreement between governments made in 1999, affirms that "All governments believe that the freedom of movement of Canadians to pursue opportunities anywhere in Canada is an essential element of Canadian citizenship." In the Agreement, it is pledged that "Governments will ensure that no new barriers to mobility are created in new social policy initiatives."

[Sulako]

Freeman, if you don't wanna show ID then maybe just buy your own small plane and use that to get around. I'm serious - a basic Cessna 152 or equivalent will cost you no more than 25k and I bet in this economy there are some good deals to be had. Buy a small plane and you can tour all around Canada to your hearts content.

[mcmahonm]

Freemen,

Please provide me with the name and administrative office of said Aide

"And for your information, the Aide to the Minister agrees with me on all these points and is working to help find resolution without conflict or court. He knows you messed up when you denied me access because he knows how to interpret statutes and regs and he knows the standard required before rights are deemed affected."

The Aide is not the minister, and if you so think, you have been misled in you chain of command. While I appreciate your right to self determination of your society, I ask only that you respect the order of due process. I aso am concerned about over reaching government powers, trampling of rights and freedoms, but I also ask that you respect the rights of me and my unyeilding protection that I have for my family.

I ask you what would make you happy, you create the document take it and have it stamped by some government official, to have a copy kept on file for you and all your society to be made available to the public for all to see and reference?

What about travel to other places, you are now asking every nation in the world to recognize you and your society, please explain to me how this is to work on a grand scale.

I am willing to have a an open and honest discussion, while some may not they really are the minority in any society. If you do not wish to do this here please feel free to PM me.

[rightseatwonder]

ok seriously, i cant read his drivel... WHAT THE FACK IS THIS ALL ABOUT!?

[Jastapilot]

Judging the amount of first time posters, it looks like a freeman spam-a-thon. We have a forum for political debate, and it isn't here. Where's a damn moderator when you need one?

[stickontheice]

Let me guess you had a Freeistval and decided to band together and defend your leader?? Oh, never mind I see that we've made your forum tonight. Very flattered.

I especially loved this quote from Ninja Early Warning, "i was going to post something supportive on that page but I'm not sure if it would even matter.. their just children ear muffing themselves, chanting "MEH..MEH..MEH" at the top of their lungs. Try not to get to pulled into it, let's focus how we can put the egg on their face."

Such peace loving Ninjas!

Stickontheice wrote: "I checked out your website and more specifically your forum. Quite the bunch you have going on there. Ninjas and wolverines"

So Johnny Dangerous, Huge Hammer, Hoghead and others are somehow better? They're just screen names Stick.

Misha I suppose your right about the screen names except our screen names are for the most part just innocent fun. I decided on "stickontheice" because I love hockey. You guys appear to use the term "ninja" as a personification as a warrior fighting against your cause. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Listen the bottomline is simple if you guys are free to believe and exercise your rights and freedoms under the Canadian constitution. No problem with that. A lot of good men and women have died to protect your rights and freedom. However they've also protected mine too. I choose to live within our laws and exercise my right to vote in each and every Federal and Provincial election. I choose to teach my children that we have laws and rules that are in place to protect our society. That might not be your choice but its mine.

It is my privilege to work for WestJet. I have been treated like family since I joined. If you choose not to fly on our airline because you have to carry and produce proper government ID your loss. We may lose 4K a month in business from one of your ninjas but if for some reason AC allows you on the plane without ID you'll drive probably 3X's that amount back to us in market share from the guests that have to sit beside you and listen to your dribble.

Since you've invited yourself on our forum I will extend the invitation on your behalf to the rest of our group to visit your forum. Here's the link. http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/index.php

[Widow]

Judging the amount of first time posters, it looks like a freeman spam-a-thon. We have a forum for political debate, and it isn't here. Where's a damn moderator when you need one?

Freeman Menard,

It should be pointed out, that the forum in which you first posted this thread, while titled "WestJet", is not exclusive to WestJet employees. As this thread is not really about WestJet, it has been moved.

Please be careful you do not abuse the fact that we, the moderators of this site, have allowed the thread to remain despite the obvious "infiltration" - lest deletion and banning occur.

The thread has been moved to "Political Debate", where it belongs.

[Freeman Menard]

What I find strange is that you used a body that is "governed" by the Province of British Columbia to get your personal information, picture, and signature notarized. In that end you have an unofficial Province of British Columbia Identification card. Your ploy to confused the Customer Service Agent didn't work and now you're angry about it.

I checked out your website and more specifically your forum. Quite the bunch you have going on there. Ninjas and wolverines who specialize in hydroponics and energy trying to get out of student loans, trying to get out of traffic tickets or screwing over the hard working police. Use that above average intelligence you claim to have and gain meaningful employment that contributes to society instead of trying to "...claiming and seizing a valley...”

You broke your contract when you showed up without proper government issued ID. You entered a contract with WJ that you would follow rules laid out by WJ and Transport Canada when you purchased the ticket or agreed to exercise the privileges of that ticket.

What bothers me the most is that you want to fly WJ but you won't do your part to ensure our safety? By providing proper identification you're ensuring that you are who you say you are. At the end of the day I want my company to do everything it can to ensure that I'm safe and that my crew is safe too. I'm thankful you were denied boarding and that the system works. We have families and I don't want someone on my plane who wants to engage in terrorism. Who are you to put my safety at risk???

What I find strange is that you used a body that is "governed" by the Province of British Columbia to get your personal information, picture, and signature notarized. In that end you have an unofficial Province of British Columbia Identification card. Your ploy to confused the Customer Service Agent didn't work and now you're angry about it.

Notaries are not a body bound to serve anyone. They serve their oaths and anyone can hold them to it. The government has nothing to do with it. Their existence in BC was fought against by both the Law Society and the Government of the day. The argument used successfully by the Notary Society was that someone had to exist as witness and provide remedy against potential governmental and judicial abuses and that the Notaries were impartial witness which could be used against government and the courts. How else do you sue or hold accountable these people was a key part of their argument. Look it up.

I checked out your website and more specifically your forum. Quite the bunch you have going on there. Ninjas and wolverines who specialize in hydroponics and energy trying to get out of student loans, trying to get out of traffic tickets or screwing over the hard working police. Use that above average intelligence you claim to have and gain meaningful employment that contributes to society instead of trying to "...claiming and seizing a valley...”

i don't know this deserves a response...

You broke your contract when you showed up without proper government issued ID. You entered a contract with WJ that you would follow rules laid out by WJ and Transport Canada when you purchased the ticket or agreed to exercise the privileges of that ticket.

Now we get to the nitty gritty. I did not break our contract, you did would be my position. The reason is this: there is nothing in the rules or regulations you refer to that states I need have government issued identification. It merely states you need ask to see it, it does not say if you do not that you are to deny flight rights. And if the rules do require the abandoning of existing rights, well that by definition is tyranny.

What bothers me the most is that you want to fly WJ but you won't do your part to ensure our safety? By providing proper identification you're ensuring that you are who you say you are. At the end of the day I want my company to do everything it can to ensure that I'm safe and that my crew is safe too. I'm thankful you were denied boarding and that the system works. We have families and I don't want someone on my plane who wants to engage in terrorism. Who are you to put my safety at risk???

Wow, that is unbelievable... Absolutely beyond comprehension to me... used to be it was having something like a bomb or a gun or some form of weapon that made you a terrorist, now we have crossed the line to where NOT HAVING SOMETHING ISSUED BY THE GOVERNMENT is what defines you as a potential terrorist. Are we being serious here? I am a threat not because of what I have but because of what I do not have? Is this where you are at? Holy Mack Her All...

As for doing my part, what about a Peace Bond and an Indemnity Bond used to protect you, help you with your unjustified fear, identify myself fully and completely and still I would not have government issued identification resulting from a submission or application. Bear in mind, I will put up $30K on the table in order to prove who I am and that I am not a threat to your safety or that of anyone else. Do the people who have government issued id do anything like that? If my actions are not sufficient, then your claims fall flat quickly.

The fact that you believe that those who do not have government issued id are a threat merely for that reason is amazing to me. Seriously it is beyond comprehension and then when I factor in the fact you think I am of unsound mind I become concerned about your actions and what you would be able to justify to yourself. I too have family, and do not want them harmed, and people of your outlook are a threat to anyone with a mind.

No one wants someone on (in) a plane that wants to engage in terrorism. Not me not you. What makes you think I want to do such a thing merely because I refuse to abandon my rights? I refuse to submit or apply. I do not intend or claim the right to engage in terrorism. But apparently I am someone to be feared as one would a terrorist, because I ask questions, and refuse to submit.

Seriously unbelievable....


PS - To the Mods: I do appreciate your forum, and do not seek to be disruptive and I thank you for your patience and consideration. My original intent was not to infiltrate, and nor is it now to harm.

[Rotten Apple #1]

Maybe me tryin' to be funny didn't work. I kinda like the guy. Got some spunk there. Any way we can all just shake hands and hug and project peaceful thoughts and start over again before it gets all silly?

[twinpratts]

Wait a minute....
I've heard of these freeman guys.

Hey, aren't you guys the ones who mooch off the government (ie use roads, hospitals, kid's education etc) but don't pay tax, or have real jobs?
Time to pull your weight buddy!

[KAG]

Freeman Menard
I'm a Westjet pilot, if I tried to board a flight without proper government ID I would not get on. Simple as that, been like that for years. We didn't make these rules; we just have to follow them.

I'll admit I haven’t read all your responses so maybe you've said this already, but why are you suing Westjet for simply following the rules? You've stated many times how friendly and courteous the staff were, but yet seem bent on revenge. And now we have more of your follower’s wishing our company ill by refusing to fly.

Doesn't sound all peace and flowers you seem to preach.

Now if you and your followers want to fight something real, why not tackle Income tax, it's misuse and it's legality?!

[Jastapilot]

+1 for KAG.

[Cat Driver]

Hi Freeman I am quite fascinated with your new society and believe I can be of help to you.

This bit is something that I can help you with.

★Freeman Valley – We will be claiming and seizing a valley within which those who desire can join a working and stable community.

I just happen to have a Husky on Amphibious floats that is perfect for searching out a valley for your new home.

Like you I am at the top percentile of intelligence and therefore my fee is $3,500.00 per hour.

The only picture ID I need for you to fly with me is 35 pieces of US currency with Benjamen Franklin's picture on them.

You can PM me with your acceptance of my offer.

Peace:

Cat.