Love Letter to WestJet Employees

[Hey Piiilot]

This whole thread stinks!

[JayVee]

This is what I mean by Menard not being right in the head. There are some serious short circuits up there somewhere preventing normal thought processes. What I find really astounding is that there are other people with the exact same short circuits. What are the odds of that?

I wonder if they will be buying matching Nikes, lopping their testes off, drinking the special koolaid and awaiting their ride on the spaceship.

[flystraightin]

Mea Culpa. Sometimes I just can't turn down an impossible challenge. I really wanted them to admit that they are lying, hypocritical, bloodsucking leeches on society, but the slippery pig comparison doesn't come close to describing how good they are at evading simple direct questions.

Well said. My thoughts exactly.

And jonny, nice find. I don't think anyone can top that one. Funny shit.

[Brewguy]

So where have our friendly neighbourhood freeman wingnuts gone?

[scirefacias]

Lemme start off by saying that I did not read this entire thread.

As for the freemen, they mean well, and at least they care about more than riding the Gravy Train. Or, in this case, the Gravy Aeroplane. Are they able to infallibly provide lexical justification for their beliefs? No, but no man or group of men is able to do that; "infallibility" tends only to coalesce into being once a critical mass is attained...but that's not what I wanted to write about.

There are some interesting notions here about citizenship, so, let's deal with those. If you want the straight dope yourself, I recommend reading Glanvil, Bracton, Speculum Justitiaorum (dirtier than it sounds!), Bacon and Blackstone (pronounced blech-stun).

There are two sorts of bodies, natural and artificial. Natural bodies are those such as the God of nature (or evolution, if you prefer) created. Natural bodies, however created, have corporeal substance, or, to use philosophical jargon, extension. So, a mountain is a natural corporeal body, as it is extended. The name of the mountain, however, as Gershom, for example, is incorporeal, as it lacks extension, corporeality, substance---call it what you will. And why would we need to name a mountain Gershom? Well, for one, to speak about it when it is not present. If it were present, it would need no name; we could simply point. Another benefit is that we may not only speak, or read aloud, the name, but we may write it down and therefore read it silently. But I digress.

Needless to say, Canada, whether spoken or written (if there is even a difference) is an artificial body, or incorporation; it is not a natural body but a body politic. A polis, or body politic, is a group of men and women united not by consanguinuity, that is, descent from a common ancestor, but by artificial association, or incorporation. Artificial bodies only exist by consent, or "thinking with" (con, with + sentire, to think), for to return to the previous example, no one could deny the existence of the mountain commonly called Gershom; he could very much, however, decry that name and insist it ought be called FNORD!

Citizenship, or membership within a body politic, is gained (other than by special act of the legislature or sovereignty of the corporation) in one of two ways: birth in a villein tenement's unfree bed or by naturalization. Birth in an unfree bed tends to come with the "benefit" of a social worker who insists that one must fill out paperwork; and this is true, for most people have forgotten that they belong to The Family, of which Noah is our Righteous, Free Root. Thus, they dutifully exchange their child's birthright, membership in The Family, for a mess of pottage in the form of a certificate that will enable the child to access government services designed for the unlanded who are unable to support themselves in times of trouble. Naturalization begets another sort of certificate of the same type; and, typically, the naturalization paperwork will involve the potential citizen certifying his birth in some other nation's villein tenement, so it is really a transfer of human resources between corporations.

However gained, these villeins, knaves or neifs, call them what you will, are totally within the power of their Lords. This is not a bad deal necessarily; for example, if you have trouble remembering your name, birth date, where you live or whether or not you know how to drive, you can purchase a card from them. In BC, at least, the card tends to be printed over a picture of the Parliament Buildings at Victoria. The rules of accession are in that case very instructive... There is also as aforesaid the regimented access to welfare, employment insurance, passports and so on.

So, villeins are clearly not free; their Lords may say "thou shalt wear thine seatbelt! Thou shalt not smoke in thine car with thine children!" In fact, their Lords may even confiscate their children if a social worker decides they're not raising them to be good little Nazis---err, sorry, citizens. So, what may one be other than a villein or man in bond to some Lord Temporal?

Of course, one may be a free man. And, of course, one may be free on the land and bond in Heaven, as one who may do service for a Lord spiritual whilst still being considered free as regards the Lords Temporal. Indeed, men may be members of bodies politic, such as London, and still free, as by the free custom of such a City. Really, a free, or fee, if you like, man is one in possession of his inheritance. The instrument by which men announce their possession of that inheritance and their duty to prosecute it is called a "Claim of Right" or, as we know to speak in French when the English is unclear, a "Reclamation de Droit." Droit is an old law french term meaning "the whole body of the Law." "The Law" is, of course, like "the sun." God made but one, and the only one was made by Him.

Thus free men are not lawless but called unto a higher Law, that most valuable Law which is for the whole life and Government of Christian Princes, or Royal Law. This Law is anterior and superior to the judgements, facts, acts, call them what you will, of any High Court of Parliament, whether holden at Ottawa, in a Provincial Capitol City or within a City. In fact, insofar as the acts of any court derogate the Royal Law, those portions are only in force as by the consent of those over whom they are in force. This is most evident insofar as vegetable (opium/marihuana/cocaine/&c/&c) prohibition is impossible to enact without violating the commandment that thou shalt not steal; clearly, it is the consent to representation that makes such a "law" lawful, as absent such consent the removal of plants from the peaceful possession of a man is an absolute injury.

As to the notion that these freemen are making use of roads, hospitals, schools, etc. without providing recompense, it is actually you villeins who are using Ol' Noah's estate without taking care of His children and in many ways contrary to the Lord's express covenants and commandments. For example, your corporation keeps a standing army, navy and air force. It also keeps paramilitary policy squads in most every city/town/vicinage. These bodies are trained to murder; they accost peaceful people with firearms and issue them bills. The other night I watched a cop pull over a guy for a u-turn, and he approached the car with his hand on his firearm. Is that policy? Probably. Should it be policy? I've never heard a compelling argument as to why policy officers should carry firearms at all. If firearms are necessary, call in the military; those boys are at least trained to know they're not playing a "game."

Now, you working people, it's fine to want to work; you have taken it to the extreme of having stolen pretty much every facet of the natural way of life. Airplanes, for example, represent a gross intrusion into our quiet enjoyment of the atmosphere. You keep the best foods for yourself and leave crumbs if anything to the nonworkers. It's really quite disgusting; do you think corporate whores enjoy their food more than the homeless?

All that being said, I do not believe that Freeman Menard has any natural right to hire an aeroplane or its service; as stated above, aeroplanes are destructive of our ancient usurfruct in and quiet enjoyment of the atmosphere. One may hardly have quiet enjoyment of an atmosphere containing helicopters/airplanes, or, for that matter, internal combustion engine noise. Further, industrial pollution now endemically reduces the range of floral scents; circa 1200, it would've been about double based on some studies. So, you have even stolen the scent of the Rose! A rose by any other name may still smell as sweet; however, a rose grown within an atmosphere polluted by industrial workers will not.

"7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."
from Psalm 2.

All, however, is not lost!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzeXuSGzJzM

[Rotten Apple #1]

scirefacias welcome to the forum. You'll fit in just fine in this thread.

One suggestion: could you leave talk of gods out of this topic? We're not talking mythologies here and it might just confuse the issues originally raised in Freeman Menard's first post.

Vale!

[Dash-Ate]

scirefacias welcome to the forum. You'll fit in just fine in this thread.

One suggestion: could you leave talk of gods out of this topic? We're not talking mythologies here and it might just confuse the issues originally raised in Freeman Menard's first post.

Vale!

Someone tell this guy, former regime public safety officer, to leave god out of it...

From 1978 to 1985, Day was assistant pastor and school administrator at the Bentley Christian Centre in Bentley, Alberta. His school taught the Accelerated Christian Education curriculum, which caused some controversy for its alleged anti-semitism.

In his political career, Day has never campaigned on Sundays, choosing instead to set them aside as time for worship and to be with his family. This came under scrutiny in the 2000 election, when his religion became an election issue. [1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockwell_ ... and_career

[Dash-Ate]

These guys were citizens, it never helped them.

[Brewguy]

Lemme start off by saying that I did not read this entire thread....

Oh no you don't. Stop right there.

If you want to express an opinion about this topic, you go back to page one of this thread and read the whole, mind numbing 19 pages of it .... then you may express your opinion. The existing 19 pages is bad enough without us having to put up with the possibility of the wing nuts repeating themselves because they couldn't be bothered to read what's already been posted.

Now go do your homework.

[scirefacias]

"If you want to express an opinion about this topic, you go back to page one of this thread and read the whole, mind numbing 19 pages of it .... then you may express your opinion. The existing 19 pages is bad enough without us having to put up with the possibility of the wing nuts repeating themselves because they couldn't be bothered to read what's already been posted."

I have already expressed my opinion, so I clearly do not require your permission.

And I will pretty much guarantee that my opinion has not been posted; many of my view are too out there for even the freeman community; for example, many of them believe in land borders which I am, of course, aware are metaphysically incoherent.

But reading is over-rated. If you want a summary of my message, please see the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCtDSdQHGPo

[Rockie]

I'm beginning to fear for my country.

[Rotten Apple #1]

Scirefacias, are there others who think like you? i.e. What is the name of your society?

[Brewguy]

...What is the name of your society?

Awesome post!

I'm still curious, where did Rob go? Wonder if he's still stranded in the middle of nowhere after he and his other wing nut companions determined they had vastly different philosophical views about driving.

[Rotten Apple #1]

Ta Daaahh: the latest installment in the freeman edition of Where's Waldo?
(He's been in Ontario the last few days it seems. Did a comedy show in Bancroft. )

Re: Road Tripping
by Robert Menard » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:23 am

Blows me away too....

Having a great trip and the show seemed to go over well. Many older concerned folks, even some veterans who support us.

Rob

And then his driving buddy just posted this at the WFS forum (I just edited it slightly to improve spelling and readability.):

Re: Road Tripping
by intrepid » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:25 pm

im only seeking to involve others so as can save this society...i dont think it will survive the truth about Rob Menard...and I will be telling everyone...so they dont get scamed by the guy...u can bet yer asses on that.

(edit)

OMG what a arrogant prick!

Think about the worst backseat driver you could imagine...then multiply that by 1000. I just had the 3 most grueling days of my life (the most grueling b4 this was pulling out 96 porcupine quills from my dogs snout, and my sons shin)

Imagine a paranoid schizophrenic, control freak trying to command your very move for 3 days straight!
He harassed me every 10-15 min about such things as: the distance from the vehicle ahead of me, going too fast, going to slow, when to pass, when not to pass, when to smoke a cigarette, when and how much to roll down the window(s), when to shut off the wipers, how loud the music is, what music to play, how long for bathroom breaks, and getting pissed off for stopping to p for 3 min then taking 3 hours to sit and post on the forum at dinner which was usually at some overpriced hotel restaurant...I brought my own money for food, but he insisted on buying all the meals...trying to play a big-shot!

the $100 you told me was for driving went in fuel b4 we even arrived in perry sound bud! I will be giving a copy of all the receipts I have was mostly just gas and drinks at the fuel stops.

how could i have stolen a car that was rented by my cousin. Me and him are the only registered drivers? and he gave $400 for gas and you gave me $100...it cost $525 all together for the gas. so I even used $25 of my own money for your gas...not to mention I had to borrow money to get back, plus the hand fulls of weed he just decided to start grabbing from my bag when he was out...I told him I was saving it for my dad, who lives in Ont. on the way! Oh and the 3 packs of smokes he got off me and said he would pay for but never did!! NO WONDER THEY ARE CALLING US FREELOADERS on other forums!

as for leaving you there....i just couldn't stand the thought of spending another second with you.
As far as being friends...that will never happen. how I see it is this; you are likened to a snake oil charmer, a friggin charlatan!!
As for thinking we are friends....in a dream of yours maybe! We are polar opposites; i am honest, righteous and real; and, you are deceitful and a huge POSER!

what took the cake was when he said he wanted me to be his opening act...I told him I wasn't there to act!

this guy sure aint no freeman..I have never seen someone so paranoid of authority..every time he seen a roof-rack or white car he would get all jumpy and start pointing like a major heat bag, and he feels like crossing a solid line on the road is a felony!

and its not a hookah...its a chillum get it right man!

getting donations off good people for the society and spending lavishly on $50 breakfasts and the like is quite shameful in my books.

a comedian hey...more like a clown.

oh and by the way don't bother replying rob; your words are worthless to me now, and I will not even read them..u are about the biggest looser i ever met! u friggin charlatan!

I will be creating my own society type structure if any of you are interested...or maybe if the world freeman society wants to hear my ideas an get rid of the pathetic children`s stories, and get started on something real, something that actually works.

being around rob was so terrible for me...he exudes negativity and gets angry at the drop of a hat....not even close to what he advocates. He would constantly try to cause a conflict...nagging to such a point that i considered knocking him out about 23 times along the way...just to get some peace and quiet! What a control freak!

it pretty much started at patriks, when i told him; people with kids, family and lots to lose, are starting to listen to him, and they are scared, and its a big deal....especially after meeting Blair and his family...(HATS OFF TO YOU BLAIR OF THUNDER BAY, ONT now that is a true FREEMAN!! he has sacrificed much...and my hand is extended to him at any time!) anyway I tried to explain how it was and is with my family...when I decided to do this I promised my kids they would have a say in the matter...and rob got so angry and started yelling about how it was a cop-out, for not getting rid of my SIN....he wants everyone to be like him i guess; a traveling gypsy living off the generosity of others!

I think not...this is how i see the situation...a child of the province is having a fit and decided to jump over the fence to the empty lot....and he`s trying to entice us to go with him...sure there is freedom a plenty...but what the @#$! u gonna do with it if the rest of society wont acknowledge your existence! u suck rob!

I for one think we should do things much different....like taking control of our bonds, as I did, taking direct financial responsibility for the spending that goes on in our names...using the system against the corruption; not dropping out, and then trying to fight against it!

if we can fold in the first nations and the fractured legions and such...like the lions club, and the shiners, and veterans we could create a very powerful economic block, with labor and food sales. some states did this in RUSSIA right after the cold war...

with the people as shareholders we will buy up real estate and fold in church properties and native reserves into such an economic power we will be able to force in projects for the betterment of mankind like the Venus project and the like.

I believe I have had divine inspiration on this trip, and I have a bunch of stuff id like to share with whomever wants to listen.

I have a plan of such proportions it makes robs silly little name euphemisms and Very Cunning Plans look like a children`s short story in comparison. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

foundation members decide...if you all are gonna continue to follow this charlatan this will be my last post, and I will be working very fast setting up a new freeman group...prolly call it...The Freeman Group, or you all can pick yourself up from this folly and i will share my vision.

ill add the pics of the places i was sitting while writing the new plan, when i get home...I don't know where im getting it from...but im getting it..as you will see if any of you are interested it is to huge and detailed for my limited intellect...i think the land is speaking to me, my skin is electrified and i have constant goose bumps, its very strange, it has something to do with the rob thing, cuz that night in the hotel i meditated and prayed to God for a sign, and bam this whole plan is like unfolding before me...i have to stop and just write it down in my laptop every so often, when i stop for a break from driving, just so I don't forget it...there is so much, if i don't write it down it spills over and i lose it!!! Sounds crazy, i know, but wait till u see what Ive written so far...i'll upload it to any that ask...through PM or live messenger.intrepid

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From the latest thread by Rob's driver (If it survives their MODs) here:

by intrepid » Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:42 pm

negetive its not about the driving stuff...i just had to rant that out. I was up for 32 hours driving when i wrote that...so it is a bit raw.


its about Rob Menard taking advantage of good people...getting money off them to put towards a society..and then not doing or being who he says he is....its called lying!! Dude i sacrificed much to get this guy to his destination...i used my bill money to make the trip, and I had to borrow $425 just to get back, which i have to pay my friends and my mom back for! I'm out alot of cash because of this...I coulda just stayed home and payed my bills, but I believed in Rob so I sacrificed for him...then I find out he's just a scammer!

so now I wanna warn people, so they don't get scammed too. Is that so hard to understand?

Warning about Robert Menard!
by intrepid » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:42 pm

this man is not what he portrays..be very careful, he is a fraudster, praying off good people.

Re: Warning about Robert Menard!
by intrepid » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:09 am

fine her ya go...I claim rob menard is a fake and a charlatan, he is no freeman by the actions that i witnessed. How can he advocate something he himself does not do or practice doing? He is taking money from people with modest means, promising them help and incite, and then taking advantage of their generosity to satisfy his ego and his lavish lifestyle. It came across to me that he thinks we all owe him for sharing his ideas with us.

there ya go rob rebut

Re: Road Tripping
by Admin » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:08 am

This thread is now closed. Rob and Allen have agreed to resolve this in honour.
We recognise there has been some abuse and inappropriate use of the Moderator process and appreciate all of your patience as we resolve this issue in a proper and decent manner.

The outcome of this event will be published once resolved.

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Re: West Jet Forum
by intrepid » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:21 pm

what a crock of shit...west jet is owned by its employees. so if a counter agent refuses u...its like the CEO refusing u....WTF are u crying about...did they not inform you of their rules when u purchased the tickit...did you not agree to follow their rules when u contracted with them? so why are you breaking your contract and telling people its their fault? Aren't we supposed to have honor in our contracts? if you didn't like their policies then why did u use their service...so u could be a bully and make an issue out os a non-issue, and have an excuse why u couldn't afford a plane ticket...and had to BUM rides from people.

what a f*ckin looser u are rob.

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Re: West Jet Forum
by Robert Menard » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:14 pm


Care to talk about your contract with National where you agreed to not smoke in the rented vehicle and then immediately did so thus breaching knowingly and willfully your contract with them? Or about how in your contract you agreed to not use any drugs and then you were constantly high and how you entered into that contract with full intent to dishonor it?

Stones and glass houses, Allen.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

Rob

Response to Allen Boisjolie's Accusations and Slander
by Robert Menard » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:04 pm

Apparently my life does not have enough plot twists.

Of what am I accused? Of being a charlatan and a paranoid schizophrenic control freak apparently and of being a poser. Who brought these charges? A teenage girl? Does anyone here really expect me to defend against charges such as these? What are the specific things I supposedly did? There is a difference between saying someone is something and saying you have some proof that someone is something. Saying I am a charlatan, poser, schizophrenic, control freak are all opinions, and are not criminal charges. They cannot be defended against using logic or reason and there is no remedy or relief being sought, so I do not understand the need for some form of court when there are no specific charges and no remedy or relief sought. What are we going to do, call each other names until one cries? Does this court have the power to sanction? Can it order Allen to honour his contract that he signed with National where he agreed that he would not smoke in the car and if he did he would pay for the cleaning? That will be about $100 per day, so almost a grand that he has to pay before he can even begin to question my integrity and honour. However based on what I know of him, he will blame the smoking on anyone but himself. Understand this, he signed a contract, which he references in his attack on me, yet he broke that contract five minutes after leaving the lot by smoking in the car. That liability is his, but he won't accept it and will likely try to hoist it on the guy who rented the car.

What is the liability? If we are having a court, then it is to decide who has what liability. All I have seen is name calling and no relief sought. IS the court going to rule that one or the other is a stinky butt? What exactly does this court claim the power to be able to do? Will one party be forced to leave the forum?

What is the claim? Is there one and is it more then merely saying “Rob sucks! He is a charlatan and he smells bad!” ?
Who is the victim? Oh wait, we know who that is. The victim here is clearly Allen Boisjolie, the worlds biggest self created victim.

Is Allen a member of the WFS or not? Does he intend to be a member? Why should I defend against one who isn't? Why are we giving so much energy to one who has no intent of joining and has stated an intent to destroy and disrupt? If he joins the WFS and pays up in full, I will take his words as more then the whining of a victim princess.

I will share my perspective and experiences but this is in no way an acceptance of the court or its findings, unless Allen is a member of the WFS and has honoured his contract with Wade and National by paying for his gross breach of contract which occurred when he smoked in the car that was rented.

Allen is a victim there is no doubt about that. He loves that role and since he needs a villain to avoid being seen as a cry baby, he has appointed me to play that role and wants me to argue with him about who the bigger victim is. I give that one to him. He is the BIGGEST VICTIM I have ever met and no one can compete with that.

At issue is whether I am the villain. Let us first examine how VICTIMS operate in order to get their fix of VICTIMHOOD.


Here is how you can identify one who loves to play the victim role.
1- No contract. Victim types will refuse to operate under contract, and prefer instead to volunteer because they are not motivated by money, or they are doing it to be kind, or any number of other reasons. However what they will always eschew is a contract as then they terms and obligations are clearly laid out, and if they begin their trip under contract they will not be able to claim they are a victim of the villain.

2 – Sacrifice for Impossible goals. A victim mentality will before beginning, lay a foundation for their martyrdom. This takes the form of them telling you how much they are sacrificing for you and they will lay on an impossible goal to boot. They will not accept any payment for what they are sacrificing, nor will they operate under contract to ensure equity is achieved. If they did that they would not be able to claim the victim position they hunger for.

3- Silence. When offended by someone's behaviour, the victim will say nothing at all, and give no indication that the actions are offending them and they will often even put on a false face to ensure they rack up enough 'poor me' points to justify their next action, and that is when they breach trust or snap.

4- Snap. Here is where the victim feels they have put up with enough, as they are volunteering, there is no contract and they sacrificed so much they can now justify doing things which would otherwise be seen as reprehensible, and of course, it is NEVER their fault and they are NEVER responsible for their own emotions, or actions. Yes here in this case a victim is blaming me for him stealing a car.

5- Blame. The final stop on the victim train is where the victim blames the chosen villain, usually someone they 'tried to help' or 'volunteered to help'. After all every victim needs a villain and without one they are merely cry babies. In this case, Allen wants you to believe that I am responsible for him taking my packages out of the car and leaving them on a wet surface to be damaged, I am responsible for him getting in the car and putting in the key, turning it on, putting it in gear, and driving away. He did all those physical actions, but he wants you all to place the blame for his actions on me. He did those things, not me. He is liable for his actions no one else is, and trying to play victim does not change the fact HE DID THOSE THINGS OF HIS OWN VOLITION. No one forced him to do so, and any man worth his salt would not have done that. You do not abandon people you are on a road trip with. You work out your differences and act like adults. You do not blame others for your actions, and according to Allen, I am responsible for what he did, not him. See a victim there?

Let us see how this relates to the issue at hand.
I spoke with Ninja and Wade about Allen Boisjolie being a victim before meeting him. On the phone he refused to accept any form of agreement or contract, he told me how very much he was sacrificing to help me (not the WFS, but me personally) and he told me that this trip better change the world as he was risking so very much. At this point I tried again to offer contract and his response was he is not doing it for the money and no contract was needed. This concerned me enough that I almost pulled the plug and I did mention to two others before all this happened that I was concerned that it might. Ask Ninja or Wade, the guy who paid for the vehicle.

On meeting Allen I told him of my concern and he admitted he often played the victim role. Ask him to deny it if he can. Yes folks, the victim here admitted to previously manufacturing situations which would allow him to cry like a baby about how badly treated he had been. He is doing the same thing now.

During the trip Allen never once mentioned that my actions were bothering him except for my smelly feet, which I then washed first chance I had. Had he told me I would have modified my actions but that of course would not allow him to play victim and this is in keeping with the third stage of the victim being a victim. With their silence they get to rack up them points justifying the SNAP. Want proof of his silence? Read his post about me where he says twenty three times he wanted to hit me to shut me up. Any mention there of him saying something on the first or second or third or forth or fifth or sixth or seventh or eight or ninth or tenth time? No there is not and the reason is because in keeping with his victim role, he said nothing. Victims can't risk saying anything, cause then people might modify their actions, and the victim would be denied something to complain about.


My travel experience. The VICTIM wishes everyone to believe that I am the VILLAIN due to my actions on the road. I was a professional comedian and have been on over 30 road trips usually between 2-3 weeks in length with over 15 different professional comics and those professionals who know what it is to do road trip, never had a problem with me and all would likely work with me again. I know what it is to be on the road with complete strangers and work with them for weeks at a time. They of course are all adults and professionals dedicated to their craft. My work history strongly demonstrates that I am capable of being on the road without being in conflict with those with whom I am working. Allen can not bring the same work history to the table.

Let us examine if Allen is alone in his thinking. He is after all not the only one I travelled with. There was Mindy who brought me from Vancouver to Canmore (Thanks Mindy!)Wes who brought me to Calgary, Adam and Ash who helped me out after I was abandoned, then there was Vartan who gave me a ride from Bracebridge to Bancroft and then Bob who gave Celine and I a ride from Ottawa to Bancroft. Then of course there is Charles Jakeman who drove me around while in Bancroft. Ask any of them if the spurious accusations made here are supported by their experiences with me. If they all say no then it will become apparent that Allen has manufactured his own victimhood.

Let us talk driving skills. Imagine sitting in the passenger seat with a driver who seems to be emotionally stunted at 14 years of age. The driver looks only at the red light and as soon as it turns green, he hits the gas and races through the intersection WITHOUT LOOKING AT ALL TO SEE IF IT IS SAFE. Allen did that 3 times in a row, I was watching and I called him on it. That is merely ONE example of how he drives. He was constantly smoking (Incidentally, Allen signed a contract saying he would not smoke in the vehicle, then he puffed away like a chimney. He signed it knowing he would be dishonouring it and not fulfilling his obligations. He is liable for the cleaning charges on that car. Not Wade the guy who rented it and whom Allen is now trying to stick with the bill.)

He constantly steered with his knee while lighting a chillum and I asked him over and over and over not to do so as it made me very uncomfortable. It was like talking to an adolescent with anger issues who knows everything and refuses to modify their actions. He told me when he drives he does not concern himself with others in the car and he did not care if they were comfortable or happy. This is not the proper mindset for a road trip and when I did comedy professionally the rule was that since you had SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE IN YOUR HANDS that they had a say in how the other operated the vehicle. This is what he refers to as constantly nagging. Had he modified his actions on the first request, I would not have had to tell him the same thing repeatedly. But like a 14 year old boy who is offended by anyone telling them something, Allen merely completely ignored what I was saying to him, until after about six times I raised my voice to get through to him. This is what he refers to as getting mad at the drop of a hat and constantly nagging.

He would follow the car ahead with less then one car length separating us while travelling at 130Km and with the car ahead itself being way too close to the other in front. He did this constantly and I had to ask him over and over and over to modify his unsafe, dangerous and unreasonable driving habits. But like a 14 year old boy playing a video game, he completely ignored requests unless I said something five times. This way he can claim that I was nagging, right?

Allen in his victimhood role claims he could not stand to spend another minute with me. If that was the case, he could have left the car and taken a bus, but he did not, as he came out with a big bag of pot, and unbeknownst to myself or Wade, he wanted to sell it and that was his purpose. Thus he was dishonest in stating to us what his purpose was. If he wanted to get away from me, he could have left and taken the bus, but then he would not be able to go all over and sell his pot, and that is a big reason he is not telling anyone.
Also the night before he abandoned me, breached trust and began his victim role, he wanted to drive to Bracebridge. I did not. I told him then I could not stand his driving anymore, that I had spoken to Wade about it, and that we would have a chat in the morning when rested and we would enter into an agreement concerning how he operated the vehicle, or he would be taken to the Ottawa airport and dropped off there with a ticket home and money to cover what he had spent. This can be confirmed with Wade. I thought that was mature and reasonable and prior to me saying this he wanted to spend more time with me and drive to Bracebridge, but in the morning suddenly he could not handle more time with me and he left without a word to me. The reason for this shift is again attributable to his victimhood mentality. Had that happened he would not be able to SNAP and BLAME would he? So he acted just before he was about to be fired and made his ludicrous claims.

As for being negative and angry, ask those who are not immature 14 year olds in a mans body with victimhood mentalities if that is the case. I think the people who saw me respond and recover from his breach of trust and abandonment would speak far differently. As for what was said concerning his children, he stated that his five year old would decide what was best for himself. We are talking about contracts here and he stated that his son would decide if he wanted to be registered, not when he is older but now at the age of five. I asked if he would let his son eat whatever he wanted, and he said no and I pointed out that no child of that age has the necessary skills to make informed decisions of such a nature and is why they are not at law allowed to contract. I admit I was tired and angry and what he had said was so incredibly stupid I did get angry, but I did apologize, as did he and we agreed to let it drop and not talk about it again. However as we have seen agreements and contracts mean nothing to Allen and he does not honour either of them. This is evidenced by him mentioning it here.

In his grand plan, you see he is intent on using force to achieve a change. He speaks of 'fighting against it'. I think that is akin to suicide and that force of the type he speaks will bring harm. I believe that we should use not force, but logic, reason and compassion. He does not. I also admit that I have a dichotomous nature in that I see my duty as compassion, but my instinct goes to slapping people who are wilfully stupid or mindless destructive victims. Just because I advocate something does not mean fulfilling it is not also a trial and challenge for me. As for RVCP being a children's story compared to what Allen has planned, I hope he can see the universe create for him what it has for us with RVCP. I think it is nothing short of amazing what has been created and started here and I am blown away by the response and efforts of all involved. I know I did little more then speak words, and others took them to heart and created something magical. I sincerely hope Allen experiences the same thing with his efforts, but I wonder if he intends to do it without harming any members of WFS.

If you look closely at what he is saying you see nothing but personal attacks and accusations. He calls me a travelling gypsy, claims I am a charlatan, and then claims that I am schizophrenic while telling us the land is talking to him and he is feeling electrified. Yet I am the schizophrenic one. He states that he has a plan of such enormous proportions that the one we are all working on now will look like a children's story. He states that if you continue to 'follow me' that he will not post anymore, but since it is Allen we know that is another lie and he has continued posting and under the name 'yourworstnightmare'. Too bad he is dealing with the awakened and we do not suffer night mares.

As for me, I have been invited to address some Elders on their reserve and share with them our views and perspectives in the hopes of creating shared goals and common ground and expanding the whole movement to include all our brothers and sisters and bring them some hope for remedy. Should be a challenge as some are of the opinion that only force will over come the injustice they have been dealt by others.

To determine who is speaking truth do the following.
Ask booking agents I have worked for in the past. Their names are Stu Scott and Bob Angeli. Stu is in Victoria Bob is in Edmonton. Ask if I have a history of being a good or bad road tripper. Ask pros who have worked with me. Mad Dog Adams, Dean Austin, Craig Campbell or any of a dozen others.

Ask Ninja and Wade if I mentioned Allen's victimhood propensities before meeting him.

Ask Allen if he admitted to me when I mentioned his victim mentality if he agreed he often played the victim.

Ask Wade if what Allen did was in keeping with the agreement and purpose of the rental and if he thinks that Allen was justified in taking the car for his own reasons and purposes or if it was in fact a breach of the contract he had entered into. Allen will claim that he signed as driver and that is correct, but is a dishonourable technical cop-out. The car was rented for me, not him. The driver was selected to do a job and was offered contract and pay. He refused those so he could do what he is doing now playing the victim. Anyone who thinks that his actions are justifiable and not a theft because he signed as driver is completely full of it. Allen was in TWO agreements, one was signed and the other not. He breached BOTH and dishonoured BOTH.

Ask National if the driver kept his contract or is there evidence that smoking took place in the car. If it did, Allen breached his contract with them, and there is now liability on the one who rented it, and if Allen does not do the honourable thing and pay for his breach of contract, then that falls on Wade, because his name is there as the card holder. Know whose name is not on the contract? Mine. But guess what, I have already told Wade I would accept the liability if Allen failed to do so in order to ensure that it did not fall on Wade. See I am accepting responsibility even though my name is not on the contract, and Allen is trying to avoid it by claiming his name is on the contract. But the contract he uses to make his claims is also the contract he breached moments after leaving the parking lot. You can't suck and blow at the same time, and to point to a contract you signed to justify a breach of trust and agreement when that same contract was breached by you previously is dishonest and deceitful.

Wanna know why he has harmed you all? It boils down to who is this Wade guy. Wade contacted me a few months ago with some issues to be dealt with. He is a restauranteur from Edmonton and offered $100K to the WFS in order to help get it off the ground and grow. This is not just a little money, nor is it a false promise as he has already donated over $10k and is putting his money where his mouth is. When he extended this offer, I did not take it very seriously, but then he came to my aid at a time of need and has been very generous. Allen's actions caused Wade to balk at donating more to us all and he almost pulled out because of it. He felt betrayed and dismayed that Allen would do such a thing, especially after they found out they are related. If it wasn't for the fact that I told him that Allen was not indicative of my friends or what we are all about and that he should weigh or judge me not by Allen, as I had just met him, but by those I did go out of my way to introduce Wade to whom I consider golden, such as Rob Christy, Doug Larson, Luke Denis, Paul Verge, Charles Holmes, Padre and some others. I said if my judgement was in question due to who I had caused him to meet, then he should not forget the good ones he had met, and that is the only reason we still have a supporting patron willing to donate $90k to the WFS. This will be enough to get ID/Passport machines and get properly set up. Allen almost cost us all this support and if not for the good people Wade had met, he would have retracted his patronage.

Finally you want evidence of his immaturity? When I posted about a BBQ today (cancelled due to rain!) his snarly and adolescent response was to comment on my smell and need to do laundry. This is a man/child who thinks the land is talking to him and you should all stop following me and start following him. Thing is I never asked anyone to follow me, I ask they follow their own hearts.

So in close, when he is a member of WFS then I will look at using the WFS court to settle.

If he does not cover the bill for the cleaning of the car, then he is in breach of contract and dishonour and thus should be denied his remedy, whatever that may be. I think he thinks his remedy is everyone seeing him as a victim and me as a villain. He asked for no other relief did he? I think we should ask Wade if he feels that Allen dishonoured his contract and agreement and if he thinks that Allen should pay for the car on all the days I was not in it but Allen was driving it. If he says yes then Allen should IMMEDIATELY pay up and ensure that his ignorant actions do not harm Wade or cause him to decide to no longer support the WFS due to the actions of one who is not even a member of our society. He should also be denied any remedy or hearing unless and until he pays for the cleaning costs on the car and that will be a grand or so, but he claims to be an honourable man and his signature is on a contract where he agreed to pay for the cleaning if he smoked in it. Having spoken with National I know they know he was smoking in it and they say they want $100 per day to clean it. Is Allen going to pay that? Even if he say yes, does anyone trust he will not dishonour that too? Contracts he signed carry no weight with him at all. Agreements he enters into carry no weight at all. This is evidenced by his actions. So if we see that he has a habit of breaching trust and breaking contracts and agreements, why should we believe that he will honour anything else in the future let alone the findings of our court?

Tell you what, he puts up some coin and I do as well. Let us say $2000 each. Someone holds it in trust until the end of the contest. If he wins he gets my coin, if I win Wade gets his coin. If he refuses to ante up, he does not get to play and he goes away from us, as he is clearly intent on harming us and our society and our goals are according to him, not his. His agreement to accept the court is not supported by his history of breaching contracts and agreements. So unless he puts up, he should shut up.

I hope my words here help to bring some remedy and people can see Allen for the victimhood loving dishonest man he is. I have too much to do to get drawn into a childish game of “I AM VICTIM” or try to defend myself against baseless accusations lacking even a hint of specific actions to defend against. If this was in court I would ask “What are the charges?” and all he would be able to say is “He stinks and is a bad man!” As for the money aspect, I bought him breakfasts with my own money, and now he uses that to claim I am a bad man, for how much I spent on our two breakfasts. It was expensive at $45 or so, but on the road sometimes that is what happens, and a good breakfast is a good start to ones day on the road. Patrick gave me some coin but that was for a package and in Thunder Bay Blair insisted on giving me $200 for the trip and would not take a package for it. I gave half to Allen and had the other slated to be used for gas. That is all Allen saw concerning money and there is nothing there at all improper or dishonest or which suggests charlatanry.

If you want me to defend against these ridiculous and baseless accusations, make them plain and clear and specific. Otherwise it is a mockery of justice.

Hope you all have a great day!

Rob

Courtesy of your friendly neighbourhood Jonny Dangerous

[Brewguy]

That's too funny!

[crazy woman]

Honestly Freeman, You can't be serious, posting on an anonymous aviation forum with your 'real name' and expecting some respect? You need some help and if it comes out in the courts that you are trying to extort money out of airlines from your delema with your hourly fee of $2500 your going to wish you hadn't started. The courts generally rule on the side of the airlines. Airlines are constantly being sued from a hard landing to denied boarding and yahoos like you. Good luck.

I guess you're unemployed and trying to be creative with all your free time. The trouble for you is that we very seldom hear about people that have lost their lawsuits against the airlines and don't hear much about those who win.

Quoted from a previous post from Menard...

"And yes you do have a legal department and they have dealt with 'idiots' before. They have never dealt with me, and I am very far from an idiot. As a matter of fact, having had my intelligence and emotional quotient fully tested in laboratory settings, I know I am to someone of average intelligence what they would be to an idiot. On top of that I give new meaning to the terms tenacious and crafty and that is why some call me a Wolverine. (Stems from my army days.) And let us bear in mind, fully half the people out there are by definition below average intelligence, and of the remainder, 80% are within 10 points of average. Not bragging, but mine puts me in the top half percentile.

HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Rob
PS- It is a good thing your planes fly, because your logic does not."



Fully half the people out there are by definition below average intelligence! really?

50% of anything isn't below average nor is 50% or anything above average. Here's some simple math... a math exam report if you will.

4 students one with a mark of 95% another 90% and another 85% and finally a mark of 50%. All passed, class average is 80%. Only one was below average....

You, the 'idiot' and in which 'lab' and who's logic?

[tehmastermonk]

pff as i said before, the fish in the water cant see the birds flying freely above. so is your iq. but its pointless to establih it beyond simple statement of fact. for the you honestly thiink you are smarter, and therein lies your stupidiy to assume such things.

[mdscientist61]

pff as i said before, the fish in the water cant see the birds flying freely above. so is your iq. but its pointless to establih it beyond simple statement of fact. for the you honestly thiink you are smarter, and therein lies your stupidiy to assume such things.

Hello again Master Monk,

I was going to make a sarcastic comment about how frustrating it must be for you when none of us will recognize your genius, but then I changed my mind.

See yez later

[Jastapilot]

I love how they're all so 'super intelligent', yet can't spell. *snicker*

[scirefacias]

My Society?
Well, the name of a society, fociety, partnership, call it what you will is not so important as to the parts thereof, the signifier of that society (its name) being merely shorthand whereby one is saved the trouble of expressing the relationships directly.

As to my society, I can do no better than to quote the Ancient Scotch Fathers and their unanimous deed of 1560, to wit:

"The remembrance of the quhilk day and of the Jugement to be executit in the same is not onlie to vs ane brydill quhairby oure carnall lustis ar refranit bot alswa sic inestimabill confort that nouther may the threatning of warldlie princeis nouther yit the feir of temporall deith and present danger move vs to renunce and forsaik that blissit societie quhilk we the memberis haue with our heid and onlie mediatour Christ Jesus quhome we confess and awow to be the Messyas promesit the onlie heid of his kirk oure Just lawgevar our onlie hie Preist aduocat and mediatour In quhilk honouris and offices gif man or angell presume to intruse thame selfis we vtterlie detest and abhore thame as blasphemous to oure souerane and supreame gouernour Christ Jesus"

And anciently Scotland and England are one Kingdom; and this deed is not given its force by the assent of the Scotch Parliament, but, indeed, they do attest that their assent is given only because that which is said therein conforms to the Holy Writ.

And thus we are free to wear hats, have tea parties and generally carry on, if that's what we like to do.

But fly in airplanes? I do not know.

As for casting spells, pedantic focus on orthography is the sign of a very small penis. Martin Fezziwig, Martyn Fezzywyg, really, what is the difference? Mrs. Beeton says there is no difference, and would she not know?
Or, if you're a woman, of an extremely cavernous vagina.

I just thought you'd want to know...

[...]

....hmmm Did anyone else fully expect to have Michael Jackson jump out of his casket today and do the Moonwalk onto the stage!?!?!

I WOULD HAVE BET MY HOUSES ON IT!!!

anyway...this thread was as long winded as the initial complaint in which I didn't get past

"....Dear Management...."

Regards

IABD

[Jastapilot]

....hmmm Did anyone else fully expect to have Michael Jackson jump out of his casket today and do the Moonwalk onto the stage!?!?!

Muahaha! I'm so glad I wasn't the only one!

[Siddley Hawker]

'Twas basil and the spicy cloves
Did chive and chutney in the greens;
All mango were the carrot loaves
And likewise franks and beans.

"Beware the Artichoke, my son!
The leek that prawns, the lox of hash,
Beware the escarole and shun
The deadly succotash!"

He took his marzipan in thyme,
His rutabaga in souffles,
Then truffled by the lemon-lime,
And muttered, "Mayonnaise."

And while in mushroom thought he sat,
The Artichoke, with chard of quince,
Came waffling through the chicken fat
And dropped a cherry blintz.

Fondu! Fondu! And goulash too,
The marzipan the foe did squash;
He left it cress, a kipper mess
And scalloped home to wash.

"And did thou dill the Artichoke?
Come kale with me and barbecue!
O candied yam! O chowdered clam!"
He curried in his stew.

'Twas basil and the spicy cloves
Did chive and chutney in the greens;
All mango were the carrot loaves
And likewise franks and beans.

[Rotten Apple #1]

From the Wiki:


Bandersnatch – A swift moving creature with snapping jaws, capable of extending its neck.

Beamish - Radiantly beaming, happy, cheerful.

Borogove – A thin shabby-looking bird with its feathers sticking out all round, "something like a live mop". The initial syllable of borogove is pronounced as in boring rather than as in burrow.

Brillig – Four o'clock in the afternoon: the time when you begin broiling things for dinner.

Burbled – Possibly a mixture of "bleat", "murmur", and "warble". Burble is also a pre-existing word, circa 1303, meaning to form bubbles as in boiling water.

Chortled - Combination of chuckle and snort.

Frabjous - Possibly a blend of fair, fabulous, and joyous.

Frumious – Combination of "fuming" and "furious."

Galumphing - Perhaps a blend of "gallop" and "triumphant". Used to describe a way of "trotting" down hill, while keeping one foot further back than the other. This enables the Galumpher to stop quickly.

Gimble – To make holes as does a gimlet.

Gyre – To go round and round like a gyroscope. The g is pronounced like the /g/ in gold, not like gem.

Jubjub – A desperate bird that lives in perpetual passion.

Manxome – Fearsome; the word is of unknown origin.

Mimsy – Combination of "miserable" and "flimsy".

Mome – Possibly short for "from home," meaning that the raths had lost their way.

Outgrabe (past tense; present tense outgribe) – Something between bellowing and whistling, with a kind of sneeze in the middle.

Rath – A sort of green pig.

Snicker-snack: An onomatopoeia of unclear meaning, possibly referring to sharpness.

Slithy – Combination of "slimy" and "lithe." The i is long, as in writhe.

Tumtum tree - everyone's guess is as good as everyone else's.

Tove – A combination of a badger, a lizard, and a corkscrew. They are very curious looking creatures which make their nests under sundials and eat only cheese. Pronounced so as to rhyme with groves. Note that "gyre and gimble," i.e. rotate and bore, is in reference to the toves being partly corkscrew by Humpty Dumpty's definitions.

Tulgey - Thick, dense, dark.

Uffish – A state of mind when the voice is gruffish, the manner roughish, and the temper huffish.

Vorpal - See vorpal sword.

Wabe – The grass plot around a sundial. It is called a "wabe" because it goes a long way before it, and a long way behind it, and a long way beyond it on each side.

Whiffle - if similar in sense to the dialect term, then fairly suggesting "to puff", "to drive" or "to blow".

[Brewguy]

My cat's breath smells like cat food.