Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Ladies and Gentlemen of the AvCanada forum, may I introduce Intrepid (See above). Intrepid was Rob's driving partner in the rental car trip to Ontario. I hope you will all make Intrepid feel at home.

Now, where was I? Well, it seems some people respond favourably to Rob's mission: "Robert-Arthur:Menard has been teaching humans The Illusion of the Person, what Words in Law mean, Consent, Acceptance, Honor & Dishonour, Bills of Exchange, and more! The only way to truly be free is to learn!" (from Facebook group of Rob's).

So one guy tried out this Bill of Exchange (BoE, or BOE.) at the store and wrote of it yesterday over at the WFS. Here's his account:
BOE in full effect.....for 1 store.
by Syn » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:02 pm


from popular demand of 1 pm i bring you, the success of the BOE.

so i went to the store right and didnt have alot of money. the store is wings/pizzaria on mill street and i talked alot to the guy that runs the place. ive been talkin to him about the freeman on the land movement weve been having lately. he seemed interested. i brought a few exerps to him from the BOE act and he seemed interested. so we decided to test it out and made a bill. my siggy/his siggy/price/used for/date/location. after putting the info on a piece of paper i gave him the address of the Reciever general and told him to mail it out. so he did the next day. within 3 weeks he got a government check from the RG for the 0.85 cents that we wrote the bill. we only attached a few BOE exerps with the letter and thast it, it was even certified.

anyways he called me up as soon as he got the check and he showed the check(damnit i forgot to take a picture of it!!)we both laughed our asses off that it actually worked. so from now on whenever the purchase was fairly small(under 5$) we would just write the bill again but ofcourse i dont abuse it.

anyways the picture below was the one we sent. Enjoy
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I'm not sure what this means for the recession if this idea catches on. You Calgary guys out there could always go find out more, and meet Rob maybe:
Meet'n Greet Being organized for next Month
by Ihuman » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:12 am

Hey guys/gals, I am looking to have a "Meet and Greet" with a Free-man presentation by a Free-man, in Calgary. Could anyone help me with this? I will pay for a Town Hall as i don't have the accommodation to host or house people at my residence. anyone want to help organize this? I want to start planning for the next couple weeks, and maybe at the beginning of next month we will have the means of a kick ass meet and greet and presentation about why someone would want to be a free-man and what it means to live as a Free-man-on-the-land, how he/she would go about it. I would also think Rob may come if there is enough people and if hes in the area at the time may like to say a couple words

Anyone who thinks they may be able to come to Calgary for a meet and greet somewhere close to the beginning of next month, please post that you may be able to make it, so i can get a rough count.


Sincerely, Brad
Me? I'm waiting for the Kelowna show:
Re: Road Tripping Too
by bodobaas » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:36 pm

ok Robespierre~

Normally these things are planned a few months in advance, but through the power of mezmerosis, osmosis, and asexual promiscuity I was able to book July 30th at The Habitat in Kelowna, on Leon Ave I believe. Will fill you in on more tropical fruit juicy details soon. You feel free to reciprocate with relevant informational flavours of your own.

until the next text
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Herc_Driver wrote:
jonny dangerous wrote:How about a 'Pilots versus the Freemen' baseball game? YYC or YYZ maybe? Kinda fun...watching the Freemen challenge all the rules; trying to score runs without doing any work; all stoned and eating all the hotdogs; arguing with each other on what the rules are; Rob making a series of videos on why the umpire's understanding of the rules is all wrong, and only he knows how to deconstruct them. Rob playing baseball in a little round hat. Could be fun.
ROTFLMAO :lol:

I would pay good money to sit in the stands and watch that!!!

:finga: :smt044 :smt044 we would still win! wait a minute.... you guys would need a permit for that... so.. go ask your government if its ok to play some baseball after your kerfew :lol:

*edit* ok ok i dont mean to be an ass.. im not mocking you in that lattitude, just making a point in a light hearted way. i am not exalting myself above anyone.

i personaly dont fly anyways. its too hard on the arms for one, and it hurts when a bug flies in your face and you cant do anything about it or you lose altitude. i like land.
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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jonny dangerous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen of the AvCanada forum, may I introduce Intrepid (See above). Intrepid was Rob's driving partner in the rental car trip to Ontario. I hope you will all make Intrepid feel at home.

Now, where was I? Well, it seems some people respond favourably to Rob's mission: "Robert-Arthur:Menard has been teaching humans The Illusion of the Person, what Words in Law mean, Consent, Acceptance, Honor & Dishonour, Bills of Exchange, and more! The only way to truly be free is to learn!" (from Facebook group of Rob's).

So one guy tried out this Bill of Exchange (BoE, or BOE.) at the store and wrote of it yesterday over at the WFS. Here's his account:
BOE in full effect.....for 1 store.
by Syn » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:02 pm


from popular demand of 1 pm i bring you, the success of the BOE.

so i went to the store right and didnt have alot of money. the store is wings/pizzaria on mill street and i talked alot to the guy that runs the place. ive been talkin to him about the freeman on the land movement weve been having lately. he seemed interested. i brought a few exerps to him from the BOE act and he seemed interested. so we decided to test it out and made a bill. my siggy/his siggy/price/used for/date/location. after putting the info on a piece of paper i gave him the address of the Reciever general and told him to mail it out. so he did the next day. within 3 weeks he got a government check from the RG for the 0.85 cents that we wrote the bill. we only attached a few BOE exerps with the letter and thast it, it was even certified.

anyways he called me up as soon as he got the check and he showed the check(damnit i forgot to take a picture of it!!)we both laughed our asses off that it actually worked. so from now on whenever the purchase was fairly small(under 5$) we would just write the bill again but ofcourse i dont abuse it.

anyways the picture below was the one we sent. Enjoy
DSCF0066.JPG
I'm not sure what this means for the recession if this idea catches on. You Calgary guys out there could always go find out more, and meet Rob maybe:
Meet'n Greet Being organized for next Month
by Ihuman » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:12 am

Hey guys/gals, I am looking to have a "Meet and Greet" with a Free-man presentation by a Free-man, in Calgary. Could anyone help me with this? I will pay for a Town Hall as i don't have the accommodation to host or house people at my residence. anyone want to help organize this? I want to start planning for the next couple weeks, and maybe at the beginning of next month we will have the means of a kick ass meet and greet and presentation about why someone would want to be a free-man and what it means to live as a Free-man-on-the-land, how he/she would go about it. I would also think Rob may come if there is enough people and if hes in the area at the time may like to say a couple words

Anyone who thinks they may be able to come to Calgary for a meet and greet somewhere close to the beginning of next month, please post that you may be able to make it, so i can get a rough count.


Sincerely, Brad
Me? I'm waiting for the Kelowna show:
Re: Road Tripping Too
by bodobaas » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:36 pm

ok Robespierre~

Normally these things are planned a few months in advance, but through the power of mezmerosis, osmosis, and asexual promiscuity I was able to book July 30th at The Habitat in Kelowna, on Leon Ave I believe. Will fill you in on more tropical fruit juicy details soon. You feel free to reciprocate with relevant informational flavours of your own.

until the next text

pff thats old news dude, and they only did .85 just to demonstrate someting.
and no it was not illegal.

and it does go to prove we freemen are definatley not stupid as you all first assumed! :D

anyhow that whole idea was completeley legal and a demonstration of what our parliment does all the time, jsut on a smalle scale. its all accruel acocunting folks! double entry book keeping! comenrcial redemption 101. problem is.. if the whole contry did that inflation would go nuts. our dollar would be worth less than half a paso in about a year, and there would be rioting in the streets cos individual people are reasonably smart.. but you put them in a crowd
and a social dynamic happens... and a mob is very stupid. dangerously stuid in fact.

so 1 on 1 people are decent(usually). untill there is some pretty chick to impress or something....
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and it does go to prove we freemen are definatley not stupid as you all first assumed!
Well, monk, I'm not sure what it proves.

But, ahhh,

go on...
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I know of a place that has the perfect valley for the freeman's to move to and live in.

It is in the Tibesti mountains in northern Chad, it is perfect as it is surrounded by hundreds of miles of the Saraha Desert on all sides and to make it even more secure the Tuarag people live in the surrounding area.
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And monk, I understand "making a point". I once transferred $0.01 from my chequing account to my line of credit some 1500+ times over a four day period in order to win a bank contest. (It was 1997 I believe. I cleared about $1200 before ScotiaBank shut me down. My bank statement for the month was 55 pages long.) I just don't believe that Syn actually received the $0.85. As with most things freeman, there's no substantive proof.

BTW monk, which of Rob's techniques have you ever employed successfully?

On another note what drew you to the Freeman movement? Did you see Rob speak, watch a video, or what? A lot of us here at AvCanada are trying to understand what motivates you pioneers...

Personally, I end up feeling like this poster at WFS:
WFS = criminal organisation?
by michaelnz » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:11 am

It seems every 2nd or 3rd post on here now days is "how can I get something for nothing" with a psudo intellectual backyard wantabe lawyer spin on it.

While officially masquerading behind worthy ideals, this forum has become a haven for nutjobs and people who have the mentality that they should be able to get anything they like and not pay for it.

I am not suggesting everyone present is in this category, though unless these people are also willing to stand up against this nonsense they are culpable by association.michaelnz

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Rob is seductive though is he not, tehmastermon:
Letter to RCMP
by Robert Menard » Fri May 29, 2009 8:04 pm
Hello and Good day.I am Robert-Arthur of the Menard family a Freeman-on-the-Land and founder of the World Freeman Society. Recently I was contacted by a friend who was according to him assaulted in the RCMP Detachment in Leduc. I understand you sent him a letter asking him to phone you. It is my hope as a advocate and peace maker that a resolution is possible. I understand you may find some of the concepts expressed in this correspondence to be contentious and perhaps threatening to your belief paradigm and claim of authority. Having met very many extraordinary police officers, and having never met you the only fair thing I can see is to assume you too are of exemplary character and I hope the ideas and beliefs expressed do not cause you to feel I have anything but love for the law and respect for justice. These are challenging and exciting times and I hope my efforts although they may upset those who think they have divine right to govern their fellow man, will in fact benefit all, even those who will have to be corrected and sanctioned. I hope my use of analogy, hyperbole and other tools in trying to express my position and ideas truthfully neither offends nor tires. It's just how I roll. Additionally the purpose of this correspondence is not just to help bring peace to this situation, but to help educate the public, empower my fellowman, meet a publishing deadline and lay a foundation for other future matters. That too is how I roll.
I have read the report and documentation and I find it simply amazing that two grown men, one who is a sworn peace officer and the other a devout Christian would allow such a situation to develop. I am sitting stunned here, wondering if I am dealing with children. Two grown men with over a hundred years of life experience between them and this is the best they can do? It is unbelievable to me and I have seen children treat each other better and act with greater dignity and grace. As one would expect there is significant differences in their claims of what happened and based on my experience the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. Either way however the initiating actions were very far from Christian in nature, and that is recognized by Ken, who I believe is contrite and none too proud of his actions that day. I have suggested that he craft an apology and offer amends through honest discussion and in so doing come to peace with his adversary before going to court. This I know is the law and if peace can be found there is no need for court or conflict. I believe every one does the best they can with the information they have and their ability to process it. I see how people use anger to justify actions which they would otherwise find completely morally reprehensible. And I know a man is a measure not only of his mistakes, but of his 'fixin and amendin' and as this is an important part of spiritual development and personal empowerment and is required to learn to accept responsibility, failure when followed by remorse and contrition and amends should not be punished or pursued past peace. Furthermore I have never been able to make peace by throwing stones or casting insults and pointing fingers
To a degree I bear some responsibility for I have in the past and continue now to teach people about their rights, the law and how to distinguish in order to properly learn and grow. Most every one seems to go through a series emotional stages similar to grief with the first often being rejection or disbelief, followed by anger at what becomes clearly seen as an ongoing deception. When they see this deception being enforced by sworn peace officers, the anger at being apparently betrayed causes such situations to develop. This does not justify our anger, but highlights a need which must be addressed in order to grow. Some people want to be free, then allow themselves to become slaves to their basest emotions. Wrath is one of the most dangerous of deadly sins, and can cause much grief and harm and has apparently raised it's ugly head here. Luckily the law and previous sacrifices of those who came before us, has left us with the tools we need to make peace without further conflict being a requirement.
I would like you to meet with Ken and hear his side of the story and hope you hear his apology and discuss with him what all would consider proper amends, and then help those two grown men who really should know better find and keep peace. Then there will be happiness, perhaps dancing, and maybe dumplings. If when you meet you do not believe that Ken is in fact contrite, has learned a lesson and is ready to keep the public peace, or that his apology is not honest or heartfelt, or that justice will not be served by understanding, amends and forgiveness, then you will of course continue with your proper duties and I may or may not be compelled to go to court to try to help further. As it is part of me feels the two of them both should feel ashamed, and if we cannot find peace using the divine tools available, I might find myself lining up for a heaping measure of it myself. I trust you will accept his offer to discuss amends as that is the only honorable course of action, and rejection of that offer is a clear rejection of the teachings of Christ and the common law and completely destroys the courts presumed jurisdiction.
So that is the first part of this correspondence, and I thank you sincerely for your time in the previous matter, but this action has brought to my attention certain information which must be addressed, as I see it as my duty, as a peace maker and freedom engineer. Plus it will make for an amazing article in a number of widely circulated magazines.
In reading the report it came to my attention that the Officers involved operate with what I feel is less than required knowledge and has failed in their duty to perform due diligence. Their position is likely shared by most officers and is unsupportable by logic and dangerous to any community.
The issue boils down to what are and are not the duties of a peace officer versus the duties of a police officer, or statute enforcement officer. Additionally, I draw your attention to a recent Supreme Court of Canada ruling establishing the power to seize property if said property is, based upon a balance of probabilities, the result of crime. Furthermore this order to seize can be a result of an order of the court with no charges ever being levied against the owner of the property and without them having any opportunity to defend in a court of law. That is one amazing ruling, and although seemingly an abandonment of basic justice, is in my view the Universe equipping the people of Canada with the tools needed to clean up our justice system and national police force.
Reading the Criminal Code of Canada I see that mischief, extortion, perversion of justice and fraud are all considered crimes. This is good. I know gross negligence is, in the eyes of the law, equal to fraud. I have been paying very close attention to the actions of the police and courts, empowering my fellow man, and studying and developing remedy. I actually planted the seeds for a global society and felt like Now remember the recent court ruling previously mentioned?
Now the officer involved in this issue and many others I am sure believe that anytime he does anything as a police officer he is also acting as a peace officer and that the duties of a police officer are in fact synonymous with his duties as a peace officer. This is what I call 'FLAWGIC' and is not supported by reason or logic and can only be justified by a level of ignorance that is nothing short of criminal.
Police officers are not the only ones granted the status and protection of peace officer. So are Mayors, JP's and many others. Since they are all peace officers, there must be a body of duties common to them all, and it is these duties and their proper fulfillment that justifies the status of peace officer. The duty of a peace officer is to preserve and maintain the public peace. If it is as he seems to think, then he would be claiming as a right the duties of mayor and JP, as they too are peace officers. As a litmus test, the Criminal Code of Canada states that those hired to preserve and maintain the public peace are also peace officers and the ability to hire people to do that job is not limited or restricted to the people in the government, courts or law society. The fact is anyone can be hired by anyone else to do those duties and enjoy the same level of protection you do as a peace officer. If your man is correct this means I can be hired by someone, enjoy peace officer status and then I can fulfill any of the secondary duties other peace officers fulfill, such as acting as a JP or a mayor.
You say everything you do is the duty of a peace officer, however if that is the case then it is the duty for EVERY peace officer, not just those who enforce corporate policy and call it law. Let us take that and apply it to other people granted that status and protection. A mayor is a peace officer and yet can do things you cannot so clearly those things he can do which you cannot are not the duties of a peace officer, but the duties of a mayor. You can do things he cannot and so clearly those things are not the duties of a peace officer, but of a policy enforcement officer. The same holds true for a Justice of the Peace. There is however a body of duties shared by all peace officers and it is this body of duties and only this body of duties which are the duties of a peace officer which cannot be obstructed. It is a body of duties that was meant to guide them in their other obligations, with this taking precedence.
That body of duties is to preserve and maintain the public peace. Anytime any JP or police officer or Mayor engages in their respective obligations they have a duty to do so in a manner that preserves and maintains the public peace. It does not mean anything and everything they do is automatically to be considered as preserving and maintaining the public peace and therefore beyond public scrutiny, wrath or liability for criminal actions. I have heard of police officers tackling a cyclist to the ground without warning or provocation and by lying in wait, for the serious crime of riding with no helmet and the police in this case felt that doing so was justified as the cyclist was apparently breaching the peace merely by virtue of the fact that he had no helmet. It is a mindset and belief which is not supported by logic, reason, consequence, need, law or justice and is supported only by a demented desire for a bully type control over your fellow man. Upon examination it clearly fails all tests and does not work in the macro or micro. I don't like it much and feel compelled by my love of Country and God to do a little something about it.
I would like to explain a little more the attitude I see and why it is so wrong.
At present most police officers apparently think like this: “I am a peace officer with a duty to preserve and maintain the public peace and I issue tickets, therefore issuing tickets is preserving and maintaining the public peace, and anyone who does not accept my orders when I am in the process of doing so is obstructing me, a peace officer.” That is the apparent attitude of the existing RCMP. It is a mindset that speaks of errant runaway power with no oversight or correction or control. It means people in authority are not limited by law, and merely questioning the way in which they gather or exercise that authority could be seen as obstruction of a peace officer in his duties. Look at the macro and apply it to any Mayor or JP. The tyranny of it and obvious abuse becomes apparent.
Here is how it should be: “I am a peace officer, and I issue tickets, and therefore when I issue them, I must ONLY do so in a manner that does not cause me to breach the public peace. This means since we are all equal and I have no contract, I have no power to order anyone without being liable for a bill, as doing is a breach of the public peace.”
It does not mean anything and everything you do is preserving and maintaining the public peace; it means everything you do is limited by your duty to preserve and maintain the public peace, and if enforcing a statute breaches that peace you are to limit your actions accordingly. If I hire a janitor to wash the floor and also as a peace officer to preserve and maintain the public peace and someone tracks mud on the floor he is trying to wash, would he be correct in arresting that man for obstructing a peace officer in the performance of their duties? See how illogical that position truly is?
Take it to a logical conclusion and see what happens if other people such as Mayors were to try to claim such a ludicrous position. They too have peace officer status, protection and duties. I am a Mayor and my job is to run this city and I am a peace officer so I get to order people around and if they do not accept my orders they are interfering with my authority and obstructing me in my duties.
1.Is there a difference between the duties of a police officer, a JP, and a Mayor and is there a shared body of duties which join them as peace officers and which has nothing to do with their other duties of office? I believe there that is the case.
2.Is ignorance of the law an excuse for sworn peace officers to break the law?
3.Can any issue be decided by the one most affected by the outcome of a court case?
4.Since Canada is a common law jurisdiction, does any man have the right to govern another without the consent of the governed?
5.Do you agree the recent ruling concerning seizing property for criminal activity is applicable to every peace officer in the land, and that failure to distinguish between duties as a peace officer and obligations as a police officer, mayor or JP is in fact gross negligence equaling fraud and thus subjecting them to having their property seized without a trial or chance to defend against any charges?
6.If it is established that the common law right to travel is unaffected by any statute and yet it becomes obvious based upon a balance of probabilities that ignorant peace officers routinely commit mischief by stopping those who travel without license or permission would you agree the officers would be liable to have all their property seized by the people of Canada for their continued mischief and extortion?
7.If it is established that a statute or an Act such as the Highway Traffic Act, is a rule of a society, and a society is a number of people joined by mutual consent, and officers who are incapable of identifying by proper legal name the society enforce those rules upon the non-consenting would you agree that again they have opened themselves to liability and possible forfeiture of all property they purchased with all the paychecks they have ever received, due to their gross negligence, fraud, breach of trust, extortion and unjustified violence when used in the course of their crimes?
8.Do you agree that people who act as judges and JP's are not above law and if it is determined that many of them have been acting unlawfully their entire careers by acting without the full informed consent of those who they serviced that they too would be liable to property forfeiture and seizure?
9.Do you agree that since the issue to be determined will so seriously affect existing judges and court operators that they are not suitable to judicially determine these things and since it affects so many members of the public that a jury should be convened to determine the limits of governmental authority and their liability in light of this new ruling?
10.If it is judicially determined that an unendorsed warrant is invalid instrument and not enforceable and it is found that in the past police routinely acted upon them, do you agree that all officers who have ever acted upon an unendorsed warrant are liable to full property forfeiture?
11.Do you agree the people of Canada have the right to hire peace officers and empower them to merely keep the peace and conduct investigations of other peace officers who fail for whatever reason to first and foremost preserve and maintain the public peace?
12.If is is judicially determined that people have no obligation to have identification or legal name, and that peace officers who have in the past demanded identification under threat of violence and threatened arrest for obstruction were perverting the course of justice in doing so, do you agree that based upon a balance of probabilities they have been doing so their entire careers and have been grossly negligent and committing fraud and thus they too are liable to have all their property seized and forfeited to the people of Canada?
13.If it is judicially determined that in a common law jurisdiction orders generate liabilities for bills and that anytime any judge or peace officer gave an order to their fellow man, they became liable for a bill for that order, and then it was established based upon a balance of probabilities that certain officers and judges refused to honour the bills presented and thus committed fraud, and have been doing so their entire careers in ignorance, would you agree they should be subject to forfeiture of all property and monies they received from their criminal career? Or do you believe they should not be subject to the rules and policies they seek to enforce upon others for profit and power?
14.Would you be upset if you came home one day to find that due to a court process to which you were not invited your home, car, boat, bank account and all personal property has been seized because it was established based upon a balance of probabilities that you have failed to distinguish between a person and a human being, or an act and the law, or your duties as a peace officer and your role as a policy enforcement officer for a corporation which is providing defacto government services, and that your entire career you have been breaking the law or would you accept it with good grace, as a peace officer who serves the law?
15.If there was a path that avoided all that and at the same time helped to usher in a new era of peace and abundance and freedom for all would you not agree that as a peace officer your duty would point to taking that path?

I would now like to share with you what my plan entails and how I see it unfolding. Before doing so I feel it may be wise to explain to you my motivation and what end goal is. There are those who will not like what I propose and many more who will love it. It is my hope that you and other good peace officers will be in the latter group. It is written “Woe be to you lawyers and experts in the law, for you have taken and hidden the key of knowledge and entering in not yourself, those who have entered in you hindered.” It is also written “Woe be to you lawyers and experts in the law, for you laden men with burdens you would not touch with your littlest finger.” These people will not be appreciative at least at first of my course of action, regardless of how it is completely lawful.
In the same book I feel there are things found which refer to folks such as yourself, and it is written “Blessed be the peace makes for they shall be called the sons (and daughters) of God.” My course of action does not propose to harm you or any other peace officer nor does it affect you provided you accept your duty to your fundamental oath and if you confirm it, I seek to see you raised up and better honored. There has to be a change and a growth and yet I now see a path that allows that to happen with little harm or acrimony.
I promise all my actions are completely lawful and are designed to serve and maintain the public peace while simultaneously empowering my fellow man and ensuring true freedom for future generations. The first step involves a period of public discussion and open forums with affected parties invited to participate and attend. The basic function will be to establish our right to convene a court within which a few simple issues can be judicially determined in a manner that gives the public confidence that justice is served equally and impartially. This will likely be televised and attended by a great many people and media journalists. Since these outcome will seriously affect the authority now claimed and exercised by many and will open them to liability to property forfeiture it is clear the existing courts are simply not suitable for this judicial process. Nor does the Law Society or existing commercially operating courts have any claim to a monopoly for the establishment and operation of courts, and we as a people certainly have the power to do so, especially if it is needed to correct a failing government or hijacked system.
Once that is done a court will be convened and within it over a period of about a week, thirteen basic truths will be revealed by claim and counterclaim before a proper jury. Every one presently acting in the existing yet clearly defacto and profit motivated government and court system affected by these truths being revealed, will be invited to argue their positions in this court, before a jury of those they sought to deceive and control. Once that process is finished, we then move onto the next step.
Using the same courts, we will establish using the previously judicially determined truths and based upon a balance of probabilities that certain people have been committing mischief, gross negligence, extortion, fraud and perversion of justice and have been doing so their entire careers and as such everything they have ever been paid an rightfully be considered proceeds of crime and subject to seizure, forfeiture and dispersal to either the state, or in this case the people directly who allow it's existence.
It is with forgiveness we learn to share God's grace and peace and abundance, yet if that begets tolerance of a continued injustice then the promise of that grace, is never reached and the abundance nothing but bait with the promise of peace a trap.
In order for your group to avoid the sanctions and corrections others will receive you will be required to metaphorically speaking, shine your boots, identify and learn to toe the line better and most importantly shift your perspective so your backs are to the dance of peace and abundance, and not your increasingly armored fronts. As it is you seem to be attacking our dance, wearing muddy boots and you are crossing the line way too often for anyone to be comfortable. I realize this is due to your present understanding of the law and even though your position is a result of deception by others, it was a desire for control over your fellow man that caused you to see it as an acceptable state of affairs. When the truth is revealed, I am confident that people of duty will not shy from their obligations to the law, even if that involves a radical re-examination of their beliefs. Those people are likely to be forgiven, unless they attempt to obstruct justice as we convene these new courts. Of course they have nothing to fear if they have not done anything wrong.
CONTINUED THREE DAYS LATER
Hi! I am back. I realize that you may read in one sitting words I invest weeks composing and as I am a creature of growth and open to Universal correction and guidance, I have, since beginning this correspondence had a slight shift in perspective concerning my duties, obligations, and my role in this developing world. Since I began this letter, Gordon 'DUI' Campbell has been re-elected in an election with about the lowest voter turnout ever, I was a witness to a disturbance and met with a peace officer employed by the RCMP and I had a basic revelation concerning judgment and balance.
Last week I had an opportunity to meet an RCMP officer as he had attended to a disturbance in the neighborhood. I was very impressed with his calm and confident demeanor and projection of professional competency. I sensed a man fully capable of force if needed, but fully willing to bring compassion first. When he knocked on my door it was in a very quiet and non-authoritative or demanding manner. I answered the door and inadvertently and ignorantly acted in a discourteous manner by standing on a step or two above him and his response to that, caused me to see my lack of etiquette.
He made me wonder if I have been less then fully respectful to you and as such I would like to take this time to express as fully as possible my position.
There are two types of peace officers. Those who are compassionate whenever possible and forceful only when needed, and those who are forceful whenever possible and compassionate only when needed. This man was clearly of the of the first class. And he did not even do anything super special, just toed the line and acted with respect to the importance of human dignity. I realized that I was likely dealing with simply a standard officer, yet due to the incredibly poor packaging of your organizations product, it seemed amazing. Can you tell me why when people see one of your officers on a highway in their rear view mirror they always feel incredible apprehension, yet when dealing with your officers individually one generally finds such incredible and positive spirit? I am talking about people who not only saw a very special line which many never see, or ignore when they do, but the type who are also willing to stand in defense and under oath. I have enormous respect for those who can do that well.
I am sincerely hopeful you are such an officer and that you will see the wisdom and and justice in sitting down with Ken Campbell and seeing if an apology and diversion is a suitable course of action here. Remembering it is what we sow that determines what is reaped, I ask you sow with me some seed of peace.
Sincerely and without malice aforethought, ill will vexation or frivolity,I AM

Robert-Arthur: MenardFreeman-on-the-LandAll Rights Reserved, Exercised at Will and Fully Defended, By The Grace of God. Robert Menard
I guess what I'm saying is that "Yah! I get all that!!"
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Posts: 544 And monk, I understand "making a point". I once transferred $0.01 from my chequing account to my line of credit some 1500+ times over a four day period in order to win a bank contest. (It was 1997 I believe. I cleared about $1200 before ScotiaBank shut me down. My bank statement for the month was 55 pages long.) I just don't believe that Syn actually received the $0.85. As with most things freeman, there's no substantive proof.
thats funny! $1200! geez. anyhow as forr what of robs principles i used succesfully, i have use a4v (acceptance for value) to remit a health care bill for 30 grand they sent me after my father died, same thing for his faxes was another 8 grand, and again for my own taxes, for 7 grand.

i dont go walking into safeway and slap my birth certificate on teh tabe.. that -evenn though legaly i could- is counter productive as most top level administrators dont even understand this process when they see it, and to take them all by the hand and show them, is not only a hassle but if everyone started to do it inflation would go nuts. therefore i use it only for large public debts, and to use this principle to pay of my lil part of teh national debt.

that way societey as a whole benefits not just me.

i have also used the notary public to secure property, even against those with legal title to it.
i have succesfully defended myself in ccourt for no registered vehicle, and no lvalid iscence,
but i did have insurance in the form of a bond for $200,000.

lets see... what else... well after i remitted teh tax bill for 7 grand, the next year they tried again, i demanded full disclosure, took all those papers to a CA, told him to do it right, make it say 0 and bill the govt whtever price you want, since it is thier order upon me.(he loves me now) so once he went through it all he made it say 0 legitimatley, filed it back to them and reminded them how lazy accountants tend to jsut send a bill for the remainder rahter than check thier own work. along with the new return every error documented and corrected.

and along with a letter offering them my Birth certificate back, to settle the rest of the debt, reminding them i have a reversed trust on that account,
they leave me alone now.

geez i can go on all day... but there are some real clowns out there too..


i know one guy that thought to exercise his "right to travel" and gets on teh bus, doesnt pay. walks right past the driver who didnt even notice him. then he goes bak! tells the bus driver he refuses to pay and went on about his rights and crap. pff!! called the transit cops to hall his sorry ass off to jail for some warrents he apperently had. geez what a clown. then he cried in my ear about how he was some martyr.

as for what motivates freemen, we each have our own personal endevour. Rob has made his public, and his matter with the baby. Mine deals wioth how they govt. treats foster kids, basicaly as lab rats ... i dont tell the details of my story often, not unless it serves a real purpose and someonje can benefit from it. i dont tell my story to entertain, or to prove and validate my position. i use it for occasions where people may need to hear it.and i am a firm believer in the saying "get over it". but due to some harsh extremes of my childhood, i had some very clear exposure to violation of rights that happen to everyone in this country, and the people let it happen because no one wants to be embarassed and be socially "uncool".

its a pre-conditioned minset this culture programs into people to be too shy to stand out in a crowd. anyhow other freemen have thier own personal motives. we arent a bunch of kids that seen a "cool video" on google and went for it.
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"i dont go walking into safeway and slap my birth certificate on teh tabe.. that -evenn though legaly i could- is counter productive as most top level administrators dont even understand this process when they see it,"

No, at Safeway I imagine the following process would be much better, no birth certificate required:

(I) Take groceries. Draw a bill setting down all of the groceries you've taken into possession.
(II) Sign the bill when done.
(III) Place bill upon the conveyor belt and walk through the checkstand with your groceries in your own bags in your own hands.
(IV) Smile, tip cap.

The whole "get the patient to collect his food and then scan it" trip is all about getting the store something for free, to wit aggregate statistics about who buys what and in which combinations.

No, there is a very serious problem with most places today: the workers---not the rich---eat better than the poor. IT is one thing to have a well-fed aristocracy that ensures intergenerational consistency; the only sort of consistency that the workers care to enforce is more, more, more.
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Excuse me, but I missed the part where you pay for the groceries you take from the store. Did you mention that somewhere?
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I believe they want the store to bill the government for the groceries the freeloader took.
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I don't understand this thread. Either I'm too old, or
I don't take enough drugs, or maybe both? :cry:
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Let me take a crack at summarizing Hedley:

- Anti-government nut jobs believe they are smarter than everyone else;
- Believe that they have found loophole(s) in the wording of the law, so that most laws don't apply to them unless they agree (i.e. believe they are subject only to common law, not statutory law);
- Claim they aren't actually 'anti-government' at all, but are just claiming their god given rights or some such thing;
- Think they can talk their way out of anything by claiming every word (when used in a legal document) carries a deep, dark, secret definition that only lawyers understand; and
- Believe the rest of us are chumps.

Basically a bunch of freeloaders who want something for nothing, who don't want to follow the rules and won't pay taxes. Essentially, the same as all those U.S. based 'militia' groups, but with a forum, website & some legal dictionaries instead of the hunting cabins full of heavy artillery.

Oh yeah, almost forgot ... tinfoil hats.

Have I missed anything?
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"Excuse me, but I missed the part where you pay for the groceries you take from the store. Did you mention that somewhere?"

(II) Sign the bill when done.
(III) Place bill upon the conveyor belt and walk through the checkstand with your groceries in your own bags in your own hands.
(IV) Smile, tip cap.

II is the act of creation of the imaginary payment.
III is the delivery of the payment created per II.
IV is the real payment; for who would put a value on a smile? Smiles are, of course, worth more than any quantity of monopoly money. Further, the smile indicates to most happiness, which means, to one who knows the implication thereof, divinity.

"I don't understand this thread. Either I'm too old, or
I don't take enough drugs, or maybe both?"

I believe it is generational. I find it very interesting that this "freeman" stuff is coming online at the moment; it is more or less how I have thought intuitively since I was very young, and I remember being forced to think this way because there was so much, well, tyranny, within the public schoolsystem. I say it's not drugs because I wasn't into any drugs at that point; I didn't like having my perception altered by the wearing of socks, to say nothing of taking drugs.

You probably don't take enough drugs, though. Most people are chronically under-dosed; and this is largely because medical colleges enjoy a monopoly over writing the recipes that the pharmacist's college insists are necessary before they will dispense drugs. Of course, is it the pharmaceutical college itself, or is it their insurer who says "we won't insure you unless you demand these scraps of paper from the medical college's officers for these drugs!" Who knows. In any case, it is nearly impossible for a man to find for himself an appropriate dose of any drug, except for boring drugs.

Historically, any man could find his own desired level of opium intake, cannabis intake, or, later on, heroin intake. Indeed this was the reality up until WWI and WWII created the notion that everyone must join the armed forces and that we really can't say who you are unless you have an army badge stating your name. Call it a driver's licence.

Some are opposed to standing armies, especially standing armies created by lying to children. Are some lies necessary? Probably. Are lies that create slavish devotion to hierarchy necessary? Probably not, and certainly at this point given the amount of information-sharing technology we have, devotion to authority should be decreasing; instead, it is on the increase. Can you imagine a man who fought during World War II against Nazis (who had anti-smoking regulations of their own, invented the term "passivrauchen", passive smoking) accepting some government punk telling him he can't smoke in his own automobile with his own children? Well that's the reality today.

"Oh, but I watch lots of Disney films, and the Nazis, they shove jews into ovens! As long as our Jewry isn't being herded into ovens, we're not really Nazis."

Nazis are National Socialists.
Nationalists are people who believe in the existence of Nations. Canada talks of itself as a Nation.
Socialists are people who believe that rights descend from the collective to the individual through his membership therein. If you listen to Canadian Nationals talk, they will tell you how you need a "social insurance number" to work. As an exercise, I once went around a University hiring fair asking a simple question: "would I need a SIN to work for you?" If the answer was yes, the reply "ah, too bad I'm not a sinner. I hope you can recruit some sinners." Some of them laughed. One accountant woman got wide-eyed and said "what, how do you work?" I said "well, I use my hands, and I apply them to whatever materials the job requires. No piece of plate from the Gubmint required." She just stared.

So, if someone is a nationalist who believes that the right to work descends from the top of the collective down by its issuance of a Social Insurance Number, and that those who do not have those papers are unable to work, is that not "national socialism"? So Canada is better because anyone may apply for a SIN, whereas in Nazi Germany issuance of "papers" was contingent upon blood?

"Papers please, otherwise you have no rights" is the sine qua non of National Socialism; who gets to have papers and under what conditions is simply windowdressing, as whether the national socialist notes are all green, as from the federal reserve, or multicoloured, as from the Bank of Canada.

Now, does this mean the system is evil because it is National Socialist? No.
Perhaps Nazi-ism is really a red herring; the real issue is whether or not people will be left to their contentment. Today, Canada does not leave men to their contentment; they bust up parties and gardens all of the time.

In terms of something for nothing, I was forced to go to public school. Very early on I said "this is boring and it is a waste of my youth." I was forced to go, anyway. Consider it recompense for having abused multiple generations of children into squandering their divinity purchasing automobiles and working in coalmines.
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Oh I see now. You're stealing. You know if you had just called yourselves a band of common thieves to begin with it would have saved a lot of confusion.
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This is all a joke, right? I'm just too old and stupid
and slow to get it the first time through, right?
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"With regard to offences mala in fe, capital punifhments are in fome inftances inflicted by the immediate command of God himfelf to all mankind ; as, in the cafe murder, by the precept delivered to Noah, their common anceftor and reprefentative l, “whofo fheddeth man's blood, by man fhall his blood be fhed.” In other inftances they are inflicted after the example of the creator, in his pofitive code of laws for the regulation of the Jewifh rupublic ; as in the cafe of the crime againft nature. But they are fometimes inflicted without fuch exprefs warrant or example, at will and difcretion of the human legiflature ; as for forgery, for robbery, and fometimes for offences of a lighter kind. Of thefe we are principally to fpeak : as thefe crimes are, none of them, offences againft natural, but only againft focial, rights ; not even robbery itfelf, unlefs it be a robbery from one's perfon : all others being an infringement of that right of property, which, as we have formerly feen m, owes it's origin not to the law of nature, but merely to civil fociety."
Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, Book IV Chapter I.

Oh, that right of property per civil fociety!

But what sort of civil society lies to children and says they cannot work without papers and that they cannot grow whatever vegetables they like? That's uncivil, antisocial behaviour.
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punifhments
fheddeth
fuch exprefs
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Okay. I get tehmastermonk's spelling issues. Sort of (I mean besides ill-educated, laziness, ...), but Scirefacias, what of you?

Are you making those Old German script funny looking "S"'s, that look like "f"'s?
Or is it because of the keyboard?
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That's how Blackstone's Commentaries are typset. Nonterminal "s" are put as f. That is, mafters, petitions, mafs, etc.

The website I pasted from is a verbatim OCR, but it's the same in my facsimile copy.

The copy tends to have some typos as it hasn't been corrected, but it's still good enough to use, as it were.

I was visiting a Jurisprudence Seminar at a law school once upon a time, and they were doing Blackstone---the prof started reading the fs very pronouncedly, like he had a lisp or something. Of course, that's just a ha-ha, right? Not like we used to be ruled by people with speech impediments ;) I suppose some still are...
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for all you "educated" people out there... waay back when your grandaddys grandaddy was just a twinkli on his daddy's eye, f was used as s exept in cases wehre the s was in the middle of the word, or used as a plurl.

at least that is the pattern i noticed wehn i read the origonal documents on the laws of nations and nature.

and as for us thinking there is we are smarter than anyone thats absurd.but we are definatly not stupid. and we dont do tinfoil hats.

you guys are as confused as a crackhead in a hailstorm!
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tehmastermonk wrote:for all you "educated" people out there... waay back when your grandaddys grandaddy was just a twinkli on his daddy's eye, f was used as s exept in cases wehre the s was in the middle of the word, or used as a plurl.
Okay, fine ... however this in 2009, not 1609. As any scholar will tell you, language evolves over time. 'f' is no longer used as 's' in the english language. Perhaps all of you 'enlightened' freemen should learn to use language correctly; perhaps then you'd actually be able to understand law, as it is written, rather than having this incorrect, la la land interpretation you seem to have.

Also, perhaps you should reconsider the tinfoil hat thing, as it may help un-scramble your (obviously messed-up) brains.
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neilblythin wrote:
tehmastermonk wrote:for all you "educated" people out there... waay back when your grandaddys grandaddy was just a twinkli on his daddy's eye, f was used as s exept in cases wehre the s was in the middle of the word, or used as a plurl.
Okay, fine ... however this in 2009, not 1609. As any scholar will tell you, language evolves over time. 'f' is no longer used as 's' in the english language. Perhaps all of you 'enlightened' freemen should learn to use language correctly; perhaps then you'd actually be able to understand law, as it is written, rather than having this incorrect, la la land interpretation you seem to have.

Also, perhaps you should reconsider the tinfoil hat thing, as it may help un-scramble your (obviously messed-up) brains.
wow. so... the laws that apply today.. were written when? 2009? just cos a law is old dont make it void.

as far as la la land our definitions come from blacks law and bouviers dictionary dude.we did not give these words meaning, they did and we dont establish how they are structured, they did. and i still havent heard one aruement against our position on law here. not one of you can argue wht i have posted concerning jurisdictions and all that i wrote on banking. not even lawyers tell me im wrong,and even a judge has agreed in court that i am in fact correct.

soo... who is in la la land? you? them? whatever ti is.. its not me! for i dont need a lawyer to survive the legal process. you do. so who is the child here? who is the baby that needs thier diapers changed for them when they shat themself in a fender bender? yeah. thats what i thought.... yo people are the freeloaders.. not us we are under full comercial liability. you are all under limited liability so you can have welfare and throw tantrums and do harm to the public whenever you get road rage.

we let the law interpet the law. you guys are the ones with your own assumptions on what you think it aught to mean.
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This thread delivers.

This is the best "Love Letter to Westjet Employees" I have ever read.
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"Okay, fine ... however this in 2009, not 1609."

Well, funny you should mention 1609. 1609 is the year of publication of the Lord High Chancellor's opinion delivered in the Exchequer that the Common Law of England is grounded upon the Law of God. Printed An. 1609 by the Stationers of London. So we've been well-loved for a long while, us literates.

"As any scholar will tell you, language evolves over time. 'f' is no longer used as 's' in the english language."

A scholar? Those don't exist anymore; do you mean a member of a university corporation? This stuff is their bread and butter; it's halfway probable that this change was executed simply to give Grad Students something to write about for their theses. As for "no longer", do you not get that I was making a verbatim quotation from a book in which the "f"s are extant? And it isn't that "f" was used as "s"; there is an "s", as in "it is well if the mafs of mankind does not inquire too nicely into the reafons of making the laws [of society]."

"Perhaps all of you 'enlightened' freemen should learn to use language correctly;"

There are various views of speed-reading. McLuhan rails against the decree-nisi down from On High which teaches people to speed-read instead of to read out loud. I myself think that the typographical difference is a good thing, as it probably encourages contemplation of the words rather than simple visual pattern recognition. A pigeon may be trained to do rather sophisticated visual differentiation; it cannot be taught to read aloud.

"perhaps then you'd actually be able to understand law, as it is written, rather than having this incorrect, la la land interpretation you seem to have."

Law is a word, and words have varying uses. You are of course free to use your words as you like; however you needs must extend that same courtesy to others. Now, if your only argument is libel, you don't have much of an argument. If you think about what you are arguing, it is basically that we are either serfs or slaves, take your pick---or is there a difference? =]

"For a ftate is a collective body, compofed of a multitude of individuals, united for their fafety and convenience, and intending to act together as one man. If it therefore is to act as one man, it ought to act by one uniform will. But, inafmuch as political communities are made up of many natural perfons, each of whom has his particular will and inclination, thefe feveral wills cannot by any natural union be joined together, or tempered and difpofed into a lafting harmony, fo as to conftitute and produce that one uniform will of the whole. It can therefore be no thoerwife profuced than by a political union; by the confent of all perfons to fubmit their own private wills to the will of one man, or of one or more affemblies of men, to whom the fupreme authority is entrufted: and this will of that one man, or affemblage of men, is in different ftates, according to their different conftitutions, underftood to be law."
from Blackstone's Commentaries, Of the NATURE of LAWS in general.

That's the nature of laws in general, by the by. That is to say, it is not the nature of laws from 1609 or the nature of laws ancient; it is the nature of laws in general.

The William Blackstone quoted above, by the way, was not merely writing as a private man, but as a Professor of the Law in a duly constituted University and as Solicitor General to Her Majesty.

Thus, per the above quotation, membership in a state is by consent, that is, submission of one's private will to the will of one man/assembly; henceforth, the will of that artificial man, Leviathan, as Hobbes calls him, is taken to be the will of all of the natural men who've submitted their private wills thereto; and insofar as they breach the will of the Leviathan, they shall suffer for it.

But this is not to say that one must be within the Leviathan's belly. As Gideon says, "The Lord shall reign over you."

"Also, perhaps you should reconsider the tinfoil hat thing, as it may help un-scramble your (obviously messed-up) brains."

How very soviet---anyone who is not a collectivist who submits to the will of the collective has a messed up brain! And, you know, you could probably even prove something like that with some sort of neuroimaging. Take pretty pictures of the good little conformant Nazis; take pretty pictures of the nonconformant Freemen; see which one has more activity ;)
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Cat Driver wrote:I know of a place that has the perfect valley for the freeman's to move to and live in.

It is in the Tibesti mountains in northern Chad, it is perfect as it is surrounded by hundreds of miles of the Saraha Desert on all sides and to make it even more secure the Tuarag people live in the surrounding area.
You realize, of course that technically, nobody has to pay you if you fly them there. They can write down the details on the back of a napkin and sign it. That's it.
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