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Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:06 pm

Why does every one of these damn things turn into a jews/islamic/muslims middle eastern debate.

I thought we were talking about our great nation of CANADA and the injustices and problems brought by recent immigrants (regardless of original nationality)

BTW- we traded the *pick correct term of the week for them* fair and square for all that land!

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:08 pm

Niss, the sovereign state of Israel (The Occupying Power) has jurisdiction over its citizens and any movement of it citizens into the occupied territories would be facilitated by the state. The military occupation of the occupied territories facilitates this creation of settlements; directly or indirectly. Without the military occupation there would be no settlements. Any settlement activity after the 1967 war constitutes a "transfer" by the occupying power.

The irony in this is that Israel requires a permit for its citizens to settle in the occupied territories or it is considered illegal under Israeli law.

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:14 pm

BoostedNihilist: not detracting from your point, but Israel is not a secular state.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:35 pm

Well, I happen to agree with the Aussie PM.

BoostedNihilist · Post by **BoostedNihilist** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:38 pm

Dex Said

"BoostedNihilist: not detracting from your point, but Israel is not a secular state."

Thanks you're right. I will edit my post accordingly.

kilpicki · Post by **kilpicki** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:50 pm

I'm 100 with the Auzzie PM also.

Would say 80% of Canadians are also behind him.

5400AirportRdSouth · Post by **5400AirportRdSouth** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:16 pm

I'd like to think my Canada is above such xenophobia.

I'm not sure exactly what problems immigrants have saddled with us in recent history that we couldnt have come up with on our very own either.

Like BMC, I've been the foreigner and its an eye opener. Trust me on this one, the white man, by a long shot, holds no monopoly on racism, superiority complex's or outright discrimination and hatred.

For all you honkies feelin down on your pale selves, buck up, fear, suspicion, hatred and prejudice unfortunately are innate bits of human nature.

I think we've done a relatively good job here in Canada of balancing the need for an immigrant to retain their identity, but not allowing these needs to overrun and change our own culture too drastically.

Our culture in North america is such a mish mash of other cultures ( I'll grant that most of them have been of the WASP-ish variety ) and is so relatively young compared to the rest of the world.

It is its very nature to continue to be influenced and changed by other cultures, thats how it came to be in the first place.

It is our nature to resist that change through the fear of losing our identity.

IMHO, the best we can hope for is a little moderation and split the difference up the middle.

Like someone said above, if you stick the Golden Rule, you cant go wrong.

scm · Post by **scm** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:27 pm

repost? ooops

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=35005

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=22097

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=16214

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=25419

Heres snopes version. I assume the original is the chainmail version.

BoostedNihilist · Post by **BoostedNihilist** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:53 pm

I was travelling with like 10 Australians last year (yeah try being the only Canadian in that group) And they all agreed that Howard is a 'soft cock'

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:54 pm

tcasman wrote

This is a breath of fresh air compared to ALL Cdn Politicians who would not say s**t if their mouth was full of it.

Springbok welcome back.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:06 pm

If you want to see true multiculturalism at work go to England.

Australia obviously does not want to be like England.

Dash-Ate · Post by **Dash-Ate** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:41 am

Are they kicking out radical christians too? They cause a lot of trouble.

Maybe they should set up a secret police force to monitor the population and force confessions out of them for practicing certain types of religions?

And then maybe set up concentrations camps for those people?

1933 all over again? History repeats.

I am only worried about one threat. Bush/harper taking away my freedoms/

ONLY YOUR OWN GOVENMENT IS ABLE TO TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOMS. HAVEN'T YOU LEARNT FROM HISTORY??

Dash-Ate · Post by **Dash-Ate** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:49 am

So if I move to Australia that means I cannot drink Canadian beer, watch hockey on satellite, and read Canadian magazines, wear parka, visit Canadian food resturants, becuase it would not be intergrating? It would be offensive to them? What if I did not believe in any god, would that be strike 2 against me?

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:04 am

Dash-Ate wrote:So if I move to Australia that means I cannot drink Canadian beer, watch hockey on satellite, and read Canadian magazines, wear parka, visit Canadian food resturants, becuase it would not be intergrating? It would be offensive to them? What if I did not believe in any god, would that be strike 2 against me?

Not if you're white.

ottawa,kan · Post by **ottawa,kan** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:54 am

I thought it was MY great country that was founded on "christian " principals???? I thought Australia was founded by escapees from a penal colony full of rapists and thieves and murderers and impungers of the British Crown, and stuff like that there.

:) That's the totally romantic story I learned growing up.

CID · Post by **CID** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:02 am

I'd like to think my Canada is above such xenophobia.

Thats the right word for supporters of the Australian government in this issue.

Dash-Ate · Post by **Dash-Ate** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:04 am

look at this, a muslim convicted for thought crimes?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Have you heard rap lyrics that glorify violence and against police? Who is being busted for that? no one

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:14 am

Dash-Ate wrote:look at this, a muslim convicted for thought crimes?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Have you heard rap lyrics that glorify violence and against police? Who is being busted for that? no one

Yeah but they're Muslims. They're weird. And they look mean. And they caused 9/11. And they want to change the constitution of Canada and kill everybody. They're not assimilating.

Come on Dash Ate. Don't you get it?

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:38 am

bmc wrote:
Dash-Ate wrote:look at this, a muslim convicted for thought crimes?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Have you heard rap lyrics that glorify violence and against police? Who is being busted for that? no one
Yeah but they're Muslims. They're weird. And they look mean. And they caused 9/11. And they want to change the constitution of Canada and kill everybody. They're not assimilating.

Come on Dash Ate. Don't you get it?

Described as a "committed Islamic extremist", Malik, a shop assistant at Heathrow, hoarded an extensive collection of terrorism manuals, the Old Bailey heard.

She was a member of an extremist group linked to Omar Bakri Mohammed, a hate preacher who fled to Lebanon from Britain two years ago.

Yesterday a jury found her guilty of possessing documents likely to be used for terrorism under the Terrorism Act 2000, by a majority of ten to one, after deliberating for 19 hours.

She was convicted under an act 1 year older than 911. She was convicted of possesing documentation related to terrorism and was a member of a known extremist organization. She also glorifies terrorism.

I see no problem here. What if she was white named Sarah, was militiantly anti-abortion and had manuals on bomb making, while being part of a group linked to Eric Robert Rudolph she would get the exact same thing.

The only link to Islam in this is that there is just another person glorifying death in its name.

C-GGGQ · Post by **C-GGGQ** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:52 pm

Well now that we've gotten thoroughly away from the original topic which is yes, old news. People get up in arms because they read "radical muslims asked to leave australia" They seem to forget the part where they say nothing of the culture being banned but that people who want to live under Sharia Law (meaning start their own Courts and have their own laws which is 100% illegal) will not be allowed to have Sharia law in australia. They have been told if you want to live with Sharia Law find a country that does that, you can't bring Sharia LAW into Australia, it has a court system and laws that you must follow, you can't have your own laws. Perfect sense, as trying to open your own courts is illegal

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:50 pm

Once again if you want to see how these things work just go to England.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:47 pm

Basically, I'm reading, Austrailia stands up for herself.
Canada will never do that, because they're to affraid to offend someone.

And you're discussing Isreal v. Islam why?

Someone said it nicely in an eariler post. Go live outside North America for a given time. Whitey ain't the forefather of racism, which is still alive and well in Asia the Middle East and I haven't been to Africa yet but you can only wonder.

Wasn't there a stupid debate along the same line about banning of smokers in restuarants and bars? If you want to do it, go outside.

That last line might be a metaphor.

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:11 am

Who here other than a couple of the folk that have open minds (judging by posts) have actuallytravelled?

Been to more than just N. America and maybe some parts of europe. THE WORLD IS CRAZY! We're all batshit nuts ok...

The aussie gov. had the balls to say "if you're gonna cause shit.. and you're new here.. GTFO of the country"

It would be much like a brand new 200hr FO jumped in with the 10k hr twin otter captain and slapped him in the face repeatedly for making a proper offstrip landing. What do ya think would happen there? He'd get his ass kicked out of the airplane and probably fired!

What the heck is wrong with some of you people.. Quit bringing this bs about muslims, israelies, etc etc into this. We're talkin about AUSTRALIA and how CANADA should have the balls to do something similar..

Some new canadian gets loaded.. gets in a car without a licence and kills another innocent person. I'd say... INSTANT deportation. No trial.. no bs.. Get the @#$! out of the country.

Perhaps this would set a precedent.. maybe people in general would smarten up! Maybe we'd see a change in the attitude of new canadians!

5400AirportRdSouth · Post by **5400AirportRdSouth** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:29 am

I'm with you there Rowdy, probationary immigration!

Similar to the new drivers, I think a fresh immigrant applying for permanent status should be held to a high(er) standard as far as abiding by our laws and fitting in to some degree.

Some kind of review to make sure they've been squeaky clean, have gainful employment/income, etc.

We should probably stop short of making them wear a green N sticker on their a$$ though...

I agree with about the first half of that " speech ", but the second half it seems to unravel into hysteria.

I don't think anyone could reasonably disagree that if someone comes over here and then starts teaching/practicing a whole new set of rules and ignores the law under " religious" grounds, then they're off their tits and away they go.

Disallowing people entry because they dont pray to a certain god, or because other member of their respective cultures have done some nasty things, makes little sense and this is what I'm talking about when I say that speech stinks of xenophobic rhetoric.

I'm also suspicious of the paraphrasing in that article, and suspect good chunks of it where taken out of context and were made at different times.

Pieced together by our unbiased & objective media into a steaming pile of hysterical fear mongering, catering to the lowest common denominator and worthy of little more than a mention between fart jokes after the second case of Lucky down at the trailer park.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:46 am

The article is stating that Oz isn't allowing two sets of laws governing its citizens, as well as its visitors. As far as I've seen you can still pray to whatever God you want, however you can't practice two sets of laws.

Canada already has two sets of laws. There are reserves that are allowed there own judicial system. I'm not sure whether that falls under restorative justice program and not the Canada Criminal Code. I'm sure the RCMP buffs out there can elaborate.

Australia said F-that.

In the military I fall under two sets of "laws." One the UCMJ, the second is the local law every other citizen follows.

Double jeopardy doesn't apply in most cases, so Devildogs have been charged twice for DUI's and other crimes.