The F-35 is not dead

[North Shore]

My understanding of the F22 was that it was the fighter to have, and that the -35 is a multi-role machine. (I realise that one of the reasons to have the -35 is the fact that it is multi-role) Also, one of the reasons for the -35 purchase is interoperability with other 'allied' forces. In that vein, seeing as we are the closest ally to the Americans, sharing the world's longest undefended border, you'd think that they might trust us with their top-level machine. Apparently not.

[frosti]

n that vein, seeing as we are the closest ally to the Americans, sharing the world's longest undefended border, you'd think that they might trust us with their top-level machine. Apparently not.

The F35 is more advanced in the sense it can actually drop bombs and be effective in all roles. The F-22 in Canada's hands would be completely useless other than intercepting the odd airliner and tooling around up north. Kind of ironic seeing how the lefties on this forum are all up in arms over the F35 price.

[Rockie]

The F35 is more advanced in the sense it can actually drop bombs and be effective in all roles. The F-22 in Canada's hands would be completely useless other than intercepting the odd airliner and tooling around up north. Kind of ironic seeing how the lefties on this forum are all up in arms over the F35 price.

Unless you've been living in a cave (Haha...get it frosti?) you would know that arctic sovereignty is what it's all about with your government of choice. In fact LM's two powerful salesmen were just up here laying it on thick about how the F-35 can go 50% farther north than the CF-18 can making it the most "have to have" fighter out there.

How many bombs do you anticipate dropping on Canada's north frosti?

(Although I agree the F-22 is not the plane for Canada. It can do air\ground although probably not very well since that isn't its primary design criteria and Canada does need a specifically designed multi-role fighter. But the Americans wouldn't sell it anyway, and as mentioned it isn't in production anymore because it is just so gawd awful expensive. A fate I suspect will befall the F-35 for the same reason.)

[frosti]

How many bombs do you anticipate dropping on Canada's north frosti?

Depends, they build any new golf courses around the FOB airfields?

[2R]

It would not take long to get the F-22 back into production.The way the tooling is stored it would not take long to make a new production run.

[MUSKEG]

It is obvious this has little to do with the right aircraft being chosen. It's now become a shouting match to try to prove your d__k is bigger. If you want to change the process then run for office and make a difference that way. If not then shut up. We are all tired of the pontificating and posturing and silly bickering. You may think you're smart but sometimes you need to shut up to prove it. Worse than a bunch of 4 year olds. End of rant.

[Rockie]

Sorry to hear about your cornflakes getting pissed in.

[tailgunner]

2R,
If i recall correctly, the tooling has been moved and stored at a huge ARMY arsenal northwest of Reno Nevada. Not sure what the cost of reestablishing the line would be, but i can't imagine it would be cheap.

[2R]

I do not know where the tooling is secured, nor would i want to know ,and if i did know, i would not post the whereabouts of it on a public forum.Unless i knew i was wrong(again)

[imarai]

Canada needs three dozen twin-engined, jet powered, stealthy, multi-role combat aircraft capable of sustained Mach 1.2 flight, with a 500 nm combat radius. Or does it? Drones would probably work just fine, although air show attendance would fall dramatically..


The F-35 doesn't meet the basic requirement.

NEXT!

[frosti]

[imarai]

Exactly the response I was hoping for..

[Mostly Harmless]

This sums up why drones cannot replace manned fighters for some time to come.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/articl ... t?page=all

[MUSKEG]

Had it been a two engine drone it would have faired ok.

[bizjets101]

F-35 fleet currently grounded; Flight Global.

[shimmydampner]

U.S. grounds entire F-35 fighter fleet after cracked engine blade found in plane

How's that ultra-modern, never-fail, marvel of modern technology engine that you'd trust your life to look now?

[shitdisturber]

U.S. grounds entire F-35 fighter fleet after cracked engine blade found in plane

How's that ultra-modern, never-fail, marvel of modern technology engine that you'd trust your life to look now?

Hey, you can still glide a fighter after an engine blade fails and the engine self-destructs; I even know a guy who did it! Of course he was pretty much right over the runway he landed on when it let go and he was flying a T-bird, not an aircraft that can't maintain flight without it's computers but the principle is the same right?

[frosti]

First "issue" I've heard regarding the engine during testing phase. Seems that the testing and evaluation phase is working as it should. Finding issues before they affect real operations.

U.S. grounds entire F-35 fighter fleet after cracked engine blade found in plane

How's that ultra-modern, never-fail, marvel of modern technology engine that you'd trust your life to look now?

Did the engine fail? No it didn't. They found one crack on one blade on one turbine disk. It's called routine inspection and since its in testing phase they probably inspect it more frequently. Non issue.

[trampbike]

U.S. grounds entire F-35 fighter fleet after cracked engine blade found in plane

How's that ultra-modern, never-fail, marvel of modern technology engine that you'd trust your life to look now?

Are you serious?
I would be much more concerned if nothing wrong at all was found with the engine during the whole testing phase...

[Rockie]

I would be much more concerned if nothing wrong at all was found with the engine during the whole testing phase...

I would be shocked myself, and would be even more shocked if nothing ever went wrong once the airplane leaves testing phase. That's pretty much the whole argument against operating a single engine fighter in Canada's far north isn't it?

Did the engine fail? No it didn't. They found one crack on one blade on one turbine disk. It's called routine inspection and since its in testing phase they probably inspect it more frequently. Non issue.

Non issue? I don't think so. It proves the ridiculously obvious fact the engine is subject to mechanical faults just like everything else. The challenge here is getting certain people to recognize the implications of that.

[frosti]

I would be shocked myself, and would be even more shocked if nothing ever went wrong once the airplane leaves testing phase. That's pretty much the whole argument against operating a single engine fighter in Canada's far north isn't it?

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

Non issue? I don't think so. It proves the ridiculously obvious fact the engine is subject to mechanical faults just like everything else. The challenge here is getting certain people to recognize the implications of that.

There are faults and there are failures. This was a fault that will be fixed, just like all the other faults that are found during testing. Like I said, a non issue.

[Rockie]

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

Careful frosti. You're in direct violation of the government doctrine of no engine failures...ever. Keep this up and they'll be knocking on your door to revoke your CPC membership.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

How about if it crashes into a high density residential area?

Oh...I forgot it is collateral damage for a war plane.

[Old fella]

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

Careful frosti. You're in direct violation of the government doctrine of no engine failures...ever. Keep this up and they'll be knocking on your door to revoke your CPC membership.

……….. or to confirm your residancy or to make sure you are not one of those who feel “I am entitled to my entitlements”

[frosti]

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

How about if it crashes into a high density residential area?

You mean like this one? http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/virginia-f-18-crash

Hey look, it had two engines and according to some members they can't crash due to engine failures.