College of Pilots?

[mcrit]

mcrit wrote:

carholme wrote:
Bang on! TC talks a big line but fades quickly when legitimate complaints are heard.

Mabye the College should have the authority to issue/revoke OCs and AMOs. That is pretty much the only practical way they are going to improve safety.

There's a real bright idea. Nobody knows anything about them.....lets give them POWER!!! Who are those guys? mcrit wants to give them POWER!! Give your head a shake.

Your grade 6 edumaction is showing Doc.

[Doc]

I was born in the sticks
And I got grade six
So I ain't much in demand
I deliver hand bills
And I steal red pills
For the boys in the whore house band

[mattedfred]

i pray that the regular posters on this anonymous internet forum are not a reasonable representation of the majority of pilots in canada

i also pray that those volunteers that have committed their own personal time to improve our industry do not visit this forum

i still don't know what to say as if i wrote how i really felt i would be telling many of you to phuk off which is totally unprofessional and infantile but i'm too emotional about this to put it into words

very sad

[Cat Driver]

Mattedfred it is not emotionally healthy to hold things in that much, if you feel the regular posters on this forum do not meet your criteria for professionalism you should be more specific unless of course you feel everyone here except you are unprofessional.

Just which opinions do you find so difficult to deal with and what is it you find so unacceptable?

[Doc]

i pray that the regular posters on this anonymous internet forum are not a reasonable representation of the majority of pilots in canada

i also pray that those volunteers that have committed their own personal time to improve our industry do not visit this forum

i still don't know what to say as if i wrote how i really felt i would be telling many of you to phuk off which is totally unprofessional and infantile but i'm too emotional about this to put it into words

very sad

Okay, we've chatted before. You definitely have your head on the right way up. I don't get what you're upset about? "those volunteers that have committed their own personal time to improve our industry....." How do you know they've spent more than a couple of evenings over beers? And, how are they going to "improve" our industry? So far, I've heard nothing of the sort.
As for wanting to tell us to, well, you know....on what basis? We weren't born yesterday. Some of us have been in this industry even longer than you. We've worked in some really crappy conditions. We'd like to see improvements. We just want some say in which "improvements" are stuffed down our throats. Somehow, you think that's wrong? Perhaps you could explain? I ask again....Who are those guys?

[Prairie Chicken]

It seems lately that the TC people who have registered on this forum have a lot of advice for the aviation community, yet I do not recall too many of them voicing their opinions and standing up for us when they were working there.

If that is a suggestion that I'm giving different advice now than I used to, you are wrong. I said the same thing then, and continue to say the same thing.

Fly, I'm sorry to hear that. I can't vouch for all--only myself & those I had any influence over.

[mattedfred]

Respectfully Doc,

I'll quote you and respond in a different font.

"I don't get what you're upset about?" I don't get what you are so worried about.

"How do you know they've spent more than a couple of evenings over beers?" In the next couple of evenings I would like you to complete the following; put together a core group of volunteers that are committed to working together on a special project, create a website, establish an interim BOD, apply to Industry Canada for approval, seek legal advice when necessary and start to draft a COE.

"And, how are they going to "improve" our industry?" i don't know either Doc, as they are not ready to post final versions of their COE etc on their website and I have chosen not to get involved at this stage. i know one of the volunteers and ALPA members at Jazz have been provided with updates on their progress. that said, you know as much as i do from the information that widow has graciously provided. i recall that the initial concern was that licencing would be passed on to either ATAC or the employer which would not be desirable.

As for wanting to tell us to, well, you know....on what basis? perhaps you should let your significant other or a close friend read your posts on this thread Doc. i think your common sense approach and obviously strong work ethic are lost in translation due to the language and inferences you choose to use in too many of your posts. if i knew you personally or had an opportunity to meet someone that came across the way you do in too many of their posts i would call them a douche which is totally immature and infantile but cuts to the chase.

I ask again....Who are those guys? are they not responding to your attempts to contact them via their website or through widow?

why can't we debate certain topics and provide our opinions without the all too common avcanada style of vitriol? i hope the discussions amongst those that have chosen to volunteer to establish this college do not mirror what happens on this anonymous, internet forum.

[mattedfred]

Mattedfred it is not emotionally healthy to hold things in that much, if you feel the regular posters on this forum do not meet your criteria for professionalism you should be more specific unless of course you feel everyone here except you are unprofessional.

Just which opinions do you find so difficult to deal with and what is it you find so unacceptable?

Respectfully Cat Driver,

I accepted your offer to agree to disagree, and to basically not talk to you anymore, months ago. Afterward I set your posts to ignore. Therefore I have not read all of your posts on this thread and was not referring to you in my post. I am responding to this post as the notification that you had posted something came directly below my post. I took a peak as I thought there was a chance that you were responding to my post.

Good day,

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Respectfully Doc,

I'll quote you and respond in a different font.

"I don't get what you're upset about?" I don't get what you are so worried about.

"How do you know they've spent more than a couple of evenings over beers?" In the next couple of evenings I would like you to complete the following; put together a core group of volunteers that are committed to working together on a special project, create a website, establish an interim BOD, apply to Industry Canada for approval, seek legal advice when necessary and start to draft a COE.

"And, how are they going to "improve" our industry?" i don't know either Doc, as they are not ready to post final versions of their COE etc on their website and I have chosen not to get involved at this stage. i know one of the volunteers and ALPA members at Jazz have been provided with updates on their progress. that said, you know as much as i do from the information that widow has graciously provided. i recall that the initial concern was that licencing would be passed on to either ATAC or the employer which would not be desirable.

As for wanting to tell us to, well, you know....on what basis? perhaps you should let your significant other or a close friend read your posts on this thread Doc. i think your common sense approach and obviously strong work ethic are lost in translation due to the language and inferences you choose to use in too many of your posts. if i knew you personally or had an opportunity to meet someone that came across the way you do in too many of their posts i would call them a douche which is totally immature and infantile but cuts to the chase.

I ask again....Who are those guys? are they not responding to your attempts to contact them via their website or through widow?

why can't we debate certain topics and provide our opinions without the all too common avcanada style of vitriol? i hope the discussions amongst those that have chosen to volunteer to establish this college do not mirror what happens on this anonymous, internet forum.

Well said...nice to see a little maturity once and a while around here...a rarity for sure

[Doc]

Why would anybody set someone's posts to "ignore"? Unless, they're all personal attacks on your good character? I'd be afraid I'd miss something. The persons you disagree with most, are the ones you learn from.

[Dust Devil]

Mattedfred it is not emotionally healthy to hold things in that much, if you feel the regular posters on this forum do not meet your criteria for professionalism you should be more specific unless of course you feel everyone here except you are unprofessional.

Just which opinions do you find so difficult to deal with and what is it you find so unacceptable?

Respectfully Cat Driver,

I accepted your offer to agree to disagree, and to basically not talk to you anymore, months ago. Afterward I set your posts to ignore. Therefore I have not read all of your posts on this thread and was not referring to you in my post. I am responding to this post as the notification that you had posted something came directly below my post. I took a peak as I thought there was a chance that you were responding to my post.

Good day,

LOL a paragraph for basically "I'm not listening to you"

[Cat Driver]

How does one respond to someone who refuses to listen to anything you say?

The obvious answer is you can't.

Sometimes I get to thinking that offering advice and or suggestions on this forum is really a waste of time, especially to those who already have all the answers. Then I get to thinking further and wonder where these people got all their life experience and come the the conclusion that some of them have formed their opinions in a limited area of aviation and maybe just maybe I do have a few bits of advice that is valuable having lived a lot longer in the aviation field than some of those who know it all.


Anyhow I have to get my trailer ready to go to Vancouver to pick up the Mong I bought so have to cut this short.

Seeing as Mattedfred does not read my posts I can let the rest of you know why, it all started when Jazz ran off the end of that ten thousand foot runway last year and he got all bent out of shape because some of us were interested in why it happened and what could be learned from the incident.

Mattedfred took the defensive mode and things between him and I got to the point he has chosen to disregard anything I say, which is his prerogative.

I am suspicious of anyone or any group that choose to hide behind a cloak of secrecy and also those who are so sure they are right they refuse to communicate with those they disagree with.

Gotta run and do something constructive.

Aviation sure is an interesting group of people.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Sometimes it is not what we say, but how we say it....or type it...

[Cat Driver]

How true.

[Dust Devil]

How does one respond to someone who refuses to listen to anything you say?

The obvious answer is you can't.

Sometimes I get to thinking that offering advice and or suggestions on this forum is really a waste of time, especially to those who already have all the answers. Then I get to thinking further and wonder where these people got all their life experience and come the the conclusion that some of them have formed their opinions in a limited area of aviation and maybe just maybe I do have a few bits of advice that is valuable having lived a lot longer in the aviation field than some of those who know it all.

I can assure you Cat it is not a waste of time. I'm sure there is a great many of us that enjoy hearing advise and stories from you.

[carholme]

This is a response to the four vicious and filthy emails I rec'd last evening with reference to my posts on this thread and my point of view. I only wish the four of you had the courage to post those messages here. Your cowardly actions, all posted from hotmail accounts aren't the first confrontations I have ever encountered, not will they be the last. However, I am not going to modify my position or my posts just to please a group of people afraid to name themselves.
All of you pointed out that I am a mechanic and the issue is none of my business. Dream on children. However, I will depart only to appease your childlike egos.

The issue seems to be fading like most of the other hot topics on this site but in the end, when and if the college arrives, I sincerely hope you get the one you deserve.

Thanks for the emails. By the way did you all get my email address from the same source?


carholme

[xsbank]

Carholme, it wasn't me but I would like to offer my apologies on behalf of the reasonable members of this site and I am definitely going to say this for the majority of us that all facets of aviation are represented on Avcanada and your opinion and your willingness to post here is respected.

A few others have given up due to this rabble and I for one, don't intend to let them win.





Illegitimae non carborundum

[Widow]

Well said, as usual, xsbank.

My apologies as well. So much for professionals.

[Doc]

carholme, I'm at a loss for words. I know, that's a rare happening. Not surprised though, taking into consideration the maturity of some of our posters. It's not like you're the only one against this "college" idea. There are some pretty experienced guys with your take on it.
A really professional approach taken by all. Hang your heads, children.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Once again, this kind of crap is why I have stayed away from AvCanada...time to fade away again I guess.

[Doc]

Once again, this kind of crap is why I have stayed away from AvCanada...time to fade away again I guess.

Don't you dare. JHR, your opinion is needed, and valued. None of us agree on all issues, all the time. Time for everybody to take a deep breath, and have a cold brew.

[ASL Editor]

I think it would be better if TC advised members of the industry of what is happening and give us the contact info of the college and allow us to contact them.

This could be done thru the safety letter.

I could not agree more. If any one of the principals wants to contact me and submit an article which would present and explain the idea, I will publish it.

PM
Editor, ASL

[Doc]

I think it would be better if TC advised members of the industry of what is happening and give us the contact info of the college and allow us to contact them.

This could be done thru the safety letter.

I could not agree more. If any one of the principals wants to contact me and submit an article which would present and explain the idea, I will publish it.

PM
Editor, ASL

Now, there's a capital idea. Hopefully, they will contact you.

[Dust Devil]

I think it would be better if TC advised members of the industry of what is happening and give us the contact info of the college and allow us to contact them.

This could be done thru the safety letter.

I could not agree more. If any one of the principals wants to contact me and submit an article which would present and explain the idea, I will publish it.

PM
Editor, ASL

That's great! Let us know if you hear anything.

[mattedfred]

Oh, but the "college" will change all that......

who is currently better equipped to do so?

who could be better equipped to do so?

would you prefer to deal with the problem all by yourself or would you prefer to become a member of a group that could try to deal with the problem for you?

do the most successful interest groups lobby certain agencies as individuals or do they join together to lobby as a group?

we agree that there is a problem

we don't always agree on the solution

can we at least agree to work together to find one?

perhaps some of us cannot