College of Pilots?

[Dust Devil]

How come this was unstickied?

[Doc]

How come this was unstickied?

I'm trying to figure why it was "stickied" in the first place. Not like anybody is answering any questions??

[Dust Devil]

How come this was unstickied?

I'm trying to figure why it was "stickied" in the first place. Not like anybody is answering any questions??

Screw it I guess if no one gives a shit

[Cat Driver]

Screw it I guess if no one gives a shit

They should.

[mcrit]

Could someone fill in the details of Contrail. This is the first time I've heard of them.

[Doc]

Could someone fill in the details of Contrail. This is the first time I've heard of them.

There's a "sticky" at the top of the employment forum, with all the slimy details. Cheers

[Widow]

Looks like they are building on the website http://www.collegeofpilots.ca and have started a Facebook group.

[Doc]

Facebook? Now there's a "professional" approach. I'll have the wolfs bane and garlic salad, thanks. I'll leave a crucifix near my bed, and load my S&W with silver bullets......just in case.

[patter]

Look at what happened to the cost of a PPL written exam when privatized.
A lawyer pays lots of money each year for fees and insurance. Privacy of your information has a way of going sideways when privatised. Look at medical records in BC.
Do you really want to give up your voice to another?
I rather like the way things are in licensing.
When I see this I think, what is the real agenda?

[Dust Devil]

Mission Statement

The College’s members have, through their airline associations and individually, demonstrated a culture of flight safety and risk management. The College members believe the interests of public are best served through self regulation, funded and governed by those primarily responsible for in-flight safety.

The College has been founded by the associations of pilots of Canadian commercial airlines to establish a Safety Partnership Program with Transport Canada in accordance with the Civil Aviation Directive dated January 23, 2009 as Document No. CAD 107-005. Through this Safety Partnership Program the College will regulate licensed commercial and airline transport pilots and provide and administer guidelines for safety in commercial and airline transport aviation.

The College’s goal is to establish and maintain standards for education, training, certification, aircraft and instrument rating, professional competence and professional conduct of commercial and airline transport pilots. The College’s mission is, with the authority of the Minister, the governance of professional pilots in the interests of public safety and efficient commercial flight activities.

The College’s governance will include the establishment and maintenance of standards for training and professional conduct and the enforcement of such standards.

I thought the advocates on this board were opposed to self regulation?

[x cma]

Have some power and make some cash.

[Widow]

Doc, lots of professionals use Facebook in a professional way. But that point is moot, IMHO - it's a great way to spread the word about what is happening very quickly. You encouraged the use of the ASL to get the word out, yet in another thread state that your copy goes straight in the trash. Facebook is as quick as anything out there.

Dust Devil, I can only speak for myself ... I do not support self-regulation when those to do the regulating are the ones for whom financial gain is necessarily of foremost importance. I don't think that can be said of an organization whose mission is to establish, maintain and enforce standards for training and professional conduct.

[Cat Driver]

Where will the money to run this college come from?

There was a time when we could build amateur built airplanes and have TC inspect them and issue a C of A for nothing.

Now it is getting expensive to support the MD-RA group, it is going to cost me $1650.00 in fees plus the charges for the inspector to travel to my house three times.

[Ogee]

You don't need to go to college to be a pilot

That explains why there isn't a College of Rednecks.

[Cat Driver]

That explains why there isn't a College of Rednecks.

You lost me there Ogee, what do poor southern farmers from the USA have to do with the Canadian college of pilots?

[Dust Devil]

Where will the money to run this college come from?

The major airline unions and eventually probably anyone who wants to work. Don't pay these guys and you won't be allowed to work. Kinda sounds like buying a PPC to me.

[Doc]

Widow seems to think there's gold in them thar hills. Me? I'm totally out! She seems to think having yet another piss pot into which to flush our money will solve all the problems of the industry. I don't feel a non elected body of persons should have ANY say over my licence. Ever.

[Widow]

Widow seems to think ...

Funny, I don't remember making any statements about gold or piss pots. Why on earth would it matter what I think?

Pilot groups currently represented on the Board of Directors and Executive of the College include:

o WestJet
o Skyservice Airlines
o Georgian
o CFPA (TC inspectors/Nav Canada)
o Sunwing Airlines
o Air Canada
o Air Canada Jazz
o Bearskin Airlines
o Calm Air
o First Air
o CanJet
o Kelowna Flightcraft
o Air Transat
o Wasaya
o Zoom (pilots originally from Zoom now work for Porter and Sunwing)
o Float plane pilot(s)
o General Aviation pilot(s)
o Corporate pilot(s)
o Central Mountain Air

[Dust Devil]

Widow seems to think ...

Funny, I don't remember making any statements about gold or piss pots. Why on earth would it matter what I think?

Pilot groups currently represented on the Board of Directors and Executive of the College include:

o WestJet
o Skyservice Airlines
o Georgian
o CFPA (TC inspectors/Nav Canada)
o Sunwing Airlines
o Air Canada
o Air Canada Jazz
o Bearskin Airlines
o Calm Air
o First Air
o CanJet
o Kelowna Flightcraft
o Air Transat
o Wasaya
o Zoom (pilots originally from Zoom now work for Porter and Sunwing)
o Float plane pilot(s)
o General Aviation pilot(s)
o Corporate pilot(s)
o Central Mountain Air

How are they "represented"? Sounds like some clever wording. Are there individuals from each of these companies on the board? Or are they "represented" through labour unions and other associations that represent multiple companies?

I mean if I happen to have a membership to COPA and COPA never asks me if I want representation in the college however they throw their weight behind the college. Is the college then claiming to represent me?

[Cat Driver]

Surfing through their web site I found this.

Accreditation of organizations training professional pilots

Are we to understand they will be setting the standards for all flight schools?

I don't see any flight schools in that list they published.

[CanadianEh]

I think a College of Pilots is a great idea overall. From reading their mission statement it seems as though they will be raising the bar, which will likely help regulate the supply of pilots. Anything to help the sad state of the piloting profession is good in my eyes.

[GTFA]

Could someone please direct me to, or send me some kind of prospectus on this organization? I made some attempt to start this initiative many years ago but ran out of time money and support. I am encouraged to see much of the content on this forum but am also disappointed in the shortsightedness of many as well.

I would like to review the current details of this group before getting involved.

Thank you.

[CanadianEh]

Establishing over-riding industry "standards of practice" is an essential element in the step to professionalism. However where must be a means in place to maintain compliance by all parties, pilot, operator and even the regulator. An empowered "College" would/could go a long way to this end. Any effort that is forward thinking can only be good even if it only serves to highlight the concerns of all and further serve as the catalyst for change. Bring it on I say lets do some good.

+1, very well said MapleFlag.

[Localizer]

April 2008 : The founding members of the College of Professional Pilots of Canada.

From left to right :

Colin Bechtel (Air Canada), Peter Thompson (Air Canada), David Coles (Air Canada), Fred Ambs (Skyservice Airlines), Steve Weiher (Westjet), Nick di Cintio (Air Canada Jazz), Nigel Edwards (Skyservice Airlines), Greg Holbrook (Canadian Federal Pilots' Association / Transport Canada)
In this photo: Colin Bechtel, Peter Thompson, David Coles, Fred Ambs, Steve Weiher, Nick di Cintio, Nigel Edwards, Greg Holbrook

[Ogee]

That explains why there isn't a College of Rednecks.

You lost me there Ogee, what do poor southern farmers from the USA have to do with the Canadian college of pilots?

Nothing.