Confed College Plane Goes Missing

[GFJH]

i hope it wasn't FJH , that was one of confed's best next to the Hawk-XP ... anyone know the reg of the missing CC acft ?

i once talked to a Hornet driver who told me he could have his 18 rolling almost as fast as getting a 172 on the roll so almost any plane is vulnerable if you got the knowledge .

unforturnatly from what i knwo it know FJH don't quote me i'm not 100% but that was the theory behind the name lol


and canuck i like where u went with that i think there could be a good debate between use to bad for hard censorships

[Just another canuck]

Is this a psychology/depression thread?

Just trying to defend my opinion on the matter. I said it two pages ago... the thread would turn into this. Some will be saying "What a piece of shit... let him burn." and others will sympathize. Whichever side you choose, you should be able to provide an explanation as to why.

But you're right to an extent... might be overanalyzing here. Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow... unlikely as he is detained south of the border and who knows when he'll be coming home or even get a chance to address the public about his actions.

[Adam Oke]

i hope it wasn't FJH , that was one of confed's best next to the Hawk-XP ... anyone know the reg of the missing CC acft ?

I heard the reg was C-GFJH.

[Barkaie]

ever since the plane landed, there has been no news... yes he's in custody, but what is going on... and now CNN decided that Chris brown and Obama's church are more impotent. why hasn't this hit CTV yet either?

[pilotman15]

Is this a psychology/depression thread?

Just trying to defend my opinion on the matter. I said it two pages ago... the thread would turn into this. Some will be saying "What a piece of shit... let him burn." and others will sympathize. Whichever side you choose, you should be able to provide an explanation as to why.

But you're right to an extent... might be overanalyzing here. Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow... unlikely as he is detained south of the border and who knows when he'll be coming home or even get a chance to address the public about his actions.

Nothing directed specifically at you canuck, just trying to keep the thread somewhat on topic

[Barkaie]

ha, impotent.. i guess that works for cnn, obviously meant important, just did not feel like getting 20 comments about grammar and get off topic again..

[Dash-Ate]

I have not yet read the entire thread but has anyone seen ISTP lately??? He does have a lot of time on his hands these days...I wonder...

Now...how did the pilot/thief log those hours....

[Finn47]

now that we made Finns face red

It´ll take more than this to turn my ugly face red

Anyway, keeping the keys inside the planes at all times seems to me like asking for trouble, and they got some

At the FBO/rent outfit I worked for (25 or so aircraft including twins) us office boys were told by the owner, who had been around, not to hand out keys to anybody who seemed too tired or intoxicated, even, or suspicious in any other way. Of course some pilots forgot to return the keys but we had double if not triple sets available and temporarily blacklisted those who wouldn´t return said keys asap

And yes, the twins´ doors were locked on more than one occasion

Now, if someone is determined enough to steal a plane no lock nor even lack of keys can prevent it but making it easy is not a very good idea

Just remembered, - many moons ago when I took the ferry to Central Airways on Toronto island for the first time, wanting to rent one of their 172s, they made me take an I.Q. test (for the record, I passed )

I suppose there was no way to predict that this guy in Thunder Bay could snap and fly away... but someone in the office handing out keys might have noticed?

[bigpinky]

An interesting story, part of me to wants to string the the guy up with his balls up a 100 ft. flag pole, another part of wants to sit down with over a couple beers and shoot the shit about what the hell is going on in that head of his. Maybe I'm getting too old. I know I'm getting too old. Why would a guy steal an airplane and fly down south where he knows shit is going to hit the fan. Lets make no mistake, he knew exactly what he was doing.

As he became airborne he probably looked around and said his goodbyes to old friends and his ass. As he went further south he probably heard several radio calls trying to identify him. but he wouldn't answer them. Why would he? He was going to his death, that would show them. But where would he put it down? Where could he plunge down where the pain would be the least and death th quickest. Where could he end it, where he and the earth would become one-once and for all. As a kid he had always loved the smell, the smell of fresh dirt as he dug up the garden, as it was -he would look for a nice dark patch of terra firma. But there is fresh no ground to T-bone and there is no easy way out of this.

He don't want to die. But you're it now son. You played your best hand and it's no good. Should've folded. But you didn't.

The F-16 swoops over at FL150. "You gotta be fucking kidding me", the pilot thinks as he spys the tiny blip on his radar. Screw this, he thinks. " Perrmision to engage target.", he requests as he checks his watch. @#$!, I'm going to be late for Jimmy's practice, he thinks as he fingers the stick. He looks over to the south and sees Razor matching his speed to his. Razor ain't got no kids. Two aircraft functioning as one. "Do not engage, repeat, do not engage!", cries the controller.

" Razor, come heading 270º on my command."
" Roger 270"
" Break now..."

Well you're fucked now son, he thinks as he see's the vapour coming off the trailing edge of the F-16. He's always been facsinated by the F-16. The sharp edge of the wings, Falcon they call it. He was at the London Airshow and had watched the Thunderbirds in perfect formation. Had felt the rush of adrenalin as the the jets launched into so many trajectories that it left him bewildered and with tears in his eyes. He had carefully selected a spot close to the flightline. He had been tugged and pulled-but he was steadfast. Five F-16's had flown not more than 100 feet horizontal and 500 feet vertical at max military power. People had yelled and screamed but he was silent. He would be a pilot. Anybody would.

Well son, fuels done, Missouri it is.

I'm not going to die in Missouri. @#$! you, I aint going to die in Missouri.
What was I thinking?

You weren't son.

[Slappy the Squirrel]

What are you talking about.....

[185sp]

simply put the guy is messed up, but still how can you feel sorry for him if he went into the store and bought some gatorade he was obviously at least somewhat in the right state of mind. Anyway part of me wishes he got shot down close to the border so there won't be any questions about security measures in GA being brought up (and it would have made for a cool you tube video)

[joco]

No, he is a naturalized citizen.

Care to expand on it ? Do you believe in first and second class citizens? WTF ?

[. ._]

OK it has been 6 pages. And I have to say it.

I hope the guy likes the C*CKMEAT SANDWICH!

[Finn47]

At least he made the news - even Iranian and Chinese news websites are running the story

As far as C172 escapades go, he´ll be close to the top of the list but still behind Mathias Rust who took off from Helsinki-Malmi supposedly going west but ended up on the Red Square in communist Moscow

[VikVaughan]

"This guy is in a world of trouble. This is not a joyride"

Video, if you missed the live reports:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/07/stolen ... nnSTCVideo

[Changes in Latitudes]

Does anyone else see a problem that this individual just proved to the world that you can steal an airplane, fly it erratically all over the US for numerous hours without being shot down? Sure if it had been near Washington or New York, the situation may have been approached differently. It's a hell of a showcase of what you can get away with.

[v6g]

It's a hell of a showcase of what you can get away with.

- but he didn't get away with it did he!

Sounds like a good day had all round:

- Nobody got hurt
- The guy will probably get off relatively lightly and then get the therapy he needs
- NORAD proved that their system works
- The USAF got some free intercept & decision-making practise
- Pepsi-Co and a beef-jerky producer got some free product exposure

[Just another canuck]

Does anyone else see a problem that this individual just proved to the world that you can steal an airplane, fly it erratically all over the US for numerous hours without being shot down? Sure if it had been near Washington or New York, the situation may have been approached differently. It's a hell of a showcase of what you can get away with.

Oh, definitely... you might say he's opened it up. On the other hand, each situation is approached differently. They knew the plane was from a Canadian flight school and the need for alarm wasn't really that great. The did start evacuating certain areas/buildings... can't remember. But had the plane been larger and coming from another direction, those F-16's probably would have been a bomb lighter upon landing.

The thing is with all the upcoming talks about security and how it can be breached is really pointless. Let's say they stiffen up security and keep the keys locked up... all that stuff. So instead of "stealing" the plane, the next vigilante that wants to do this can go out for a solo and just not come back. Like already stated, if a trained pilot wants to steal a plane, there's really not much anyone can do to stop him/her.

[niss]

What if he headed back home? Do the USAF fighters have any right to cross the border? I don't think I heard of any CF-18s getting scrambled.

[Changes in Latitudes]

It's a hell of a showcase of what you can get away with.

- but he didn't get away with it did he!

He got away with hours of free wheeling over the American skies in a GA aircraft until his fuel ran pretty close to dry. Put that idea in some of the twisted minds walking around our planet and see where it goes.

Let's just say he stole the aircraft from S. Ontario and pointed it at New York or Washington. I'm curious how it would have been dealt with.

[neophyte]

It was C-GFJH, I heard a few of the interception calls on 121.5.

Neo

[iflyforpie]

No, he is a naturalized citizen.

Care to expand on it ? Do you believe in first and second class citizens? WTF ?

Please take it in context. CNN was drumming up the fact that he was born or lived in Turkey (with the usual Islamo-fanatical propaganda) and someone commented that only CNN could make such a dumb connection with someone who is a Canadian citizen. I merely pointed out that he was a naturalized citizen who did hold citizenship in another country at one point.

[Cat Driver]

Of course some pilots forgot to return the keys but we had double if not triple sets available and temporarily blacklisted those who wouldn´t return said keys asap

When I owned my flight school I solved the problem of customers taking my airplane keys home with them.

I had a key rack behind the counter, when a customer was handed the airplane keys he / she turned over the keys to their car.

Problem solved.

[Bushav8er]

That'd work Cat. Being a flight college one would think they'd have a better plan then just leaving the keys in the a/c. Shouldn't the instructors have them and solo students sign them out other times?

Expect TC and others to jump all over this bone-head set-up and security measures changed to reflect it; likely unwanted, unnecessary, convoluted ones that could have been avoided - GA takes another hit.

[iflyforpie]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0904 ... olen_plane

Looks like he wanted to be shot down.

"He made a statement that he was trying to commit suicide and he didn't have the courage to do it himself," Trooper Justin Watson said on ABC. "And his idea was to fly the aircraft into the United States, where he would be shot down."