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Upgrade times and pay.

#1 Post by zipper » Wed May 17, 2017 1:27 pm

Hi,

How long to upgrade to left seat on an Embraer these days? Also, if you do it prior to the four year mark are you still on the locked in low pay or do you get Captain's pay?
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#2 Post by dbob » Tue May 23, 2017 10:20 am

If you do a search you'll find threads talking about upgrade times. A captain position definitely activates captain pay, nobody would upgrade otherwise.

I'm not at AC.
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#3 Post by AirMail » Thu May 25, 2017 12:55 pm

Hi. I'm 21, fresh atpl and a degree. How long before I'm skip on 777 making mega bucks? I deserve this. DEC preferred.
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#4 Post by atphat » Thu May 25, 2017 2:40 pm

AirMail wrote:Hi. I'm 21, fresh atpl and a degree. How long before I'm skip on 777 making mega bucks? I deserve this. DEC preferred.
I didn't take the op like this at all. What's wrong with asking a few questions?
Bottom guy is less than a year on property.
Upgrading takes you off flat pay onto formula pay. Once you're cut loose.
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#5 Post by peeelot » Fri May 26, 2017 6:33 am

Lol Airmail didn't take too long for a troll. But to answer your question. The time to become a skipper of a 777 for a well deserving person such as yourself here is the breakdown

15 min to exit your parents basement and get into to your car
10 min to drive to local bestbuy
15 min in store to buy newest edition of flight sim because hey your going to be a 777 skipper you can afford it
10 min to drive home
5 min to exit car and re enter parents basement
30 min to install
5 min to find that old monopoly game and take out all the money. ( if I remember correctly there is a few thousand)

So that's how you become a 777 skipper with lots of money very quickly!

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#6 Post by Hudson » Fri May 26, 2017 11:52 am

Can someone give us an example of what formula pay looks like?
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#7 Post by av8ts » Sat May 27, 2017 3:50 am

Hudson wrote:Can someone give us an example of what formula pay looks like?
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#8 Post by RVR6000 » Sat May 27, 2017 6:26 am

Hudson wrote:Can someone give us an example of what formula pay looks like?

Approx: $152/hr (average day/night rate) Year 1 EMB Captain

Bottom of the A320 captain is about 4 years at the company.

$195/hr Year 4 A320 captain


940 Hours yearly guarantee.
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#9 Post by zipper » Sat May 27, 2017 7:59 pm

Sorry, am I reading that right; 4 years to A320 Captain?
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#10 Post by AllClutch » Sat May 27, 2017 8:19 pm

The most jr 320 capt is 4 years today.
Whether that comes up or down remains to be seen.
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#11 Post by Dry Guy » Sun May 28, 2017 3:57 am

RVR6000 wrote: 940 Hours yearly guarantee.
Is there any way to work less? I'd like to join AC but the thought of flying around 1000 hours a year again makes me want to hide under the blankets. Currently flying around 200 hours a year for about $75k. I'd like to advance my career and make more money but 1000 hours is a big jump from the workload in which I've become accustomed to.
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#12 Post by altiplano » Sun May 28, 2017 12:00 pm

Dry Guy wrote:
RVR6000 wrote: 940 Hours yearly guarantee.
Is there any way to work less? I'd like to join AC but the thought of flying around 1000 hours a year again makes me want to hide under the blankets. Currently flying around 200 hours a year for about $75k. I'd like to advance my career and make more money but 1000 hours is a big jump from the workload in which I've become accustomed to.
Here are a few strategies...

bid the low end of the block window month to month...

bid reserve and try not to fly and only collect the guarantee...

stay senior in a junior position and bid the most productive flying and get your month done in 7-10 work days depending...

become a manager or sim instructor or get a position at ACPA... those seats are all filled with guys that don't want to fly...

In the end though we generally get paid by the minute, if money is your goal, maybe you should suck it up and get to work.
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#13 Post by ZBBYLW » Sun May 28, 2017 12:18 pm

Is it that you don't want to do many hours or want to spend more time at home?

If you want the most time at home the best strategy would be to become an RP and as you become senior you'll get your days of work down to 8 or so a month. The next move would be your choice - become a senior narrow body FO and do 7-10 day turns a month or wait to become a seniorish widebody pilot doing 7-10 days a month of overseas flying. The key would be to stay in positions until you can bid the next one to a high enough seniority number that you would get a schedule you are satisfied with.
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#14 Post by confusedalot » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:00 pm

AirMail wrote:Hi. I'm 21, fresh atpl and a degree. How long before I'm skip on 777 making mega bucks? I deserve this. DEC preferred.
Just walk into the interview and clearly state that you deserve to be 777 right away or at least very very soon. It is an infallible strategy, big red will say yes immediately on the spot so that they do not lose a gem of an employee.
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#15 Post by Victory » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:02 pm

Any current info on how long to an Embraer Captain position? Any strategies to improve your chances? Does being an Embraer F/O as your first position help that or does it not work that way?
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#16 Post by altiplano » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:01 pm

Straight seniority determines the position you can hold.

Junior EMJ Captain YYZ is about a year.

Junior 320 Captain is maybe 3 years.
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#17 Post by atphat » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:19 pm

Don’t forget you have to jump through some hoops. That probably goes without saying though.
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#18 Post by confusedalot » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:32 pm

1000 hours or less, get hired. 500 hours later, EMB Captain.

Good deal!

This surpasses the situation in 1960 and 1970 by far. Not too many people in society get a 150K job within the space of one year....
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#19 Post by Victory » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:57 pm

Are the Embraers being retired when the C-Series and 737's arrive? When is that happening? What would happen to a Junior Captain if their fleet gets sold off? I imagine some more senior F/O's would want to bid for Captain on the new planes.
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#20 Post by altiplano » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:05 pm

confusedalot wrote:1000 hours or less, get hired. 500 hours later, EMB Captain.

Good deal!

This surpasses the situation in 1960 and 1970 by far. Not too many people in society get a 150K job within the space of one year....
Took me 10+ years busting my ass just to get to AC in my mid 30s... hardly a 150K job in a year...

US legacy airline FOs are $150K second year... don't even have to bid left seat...
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#21 Post by confusedalot » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:33 pm

That was your group, (I have lived through worse than that), I was referring to the new group that are making it in under the current circumstances. It's klondike time right now as far as I can see.
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#22 Post by altiplano » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:45 pm

[quote="confusedalot"]That was your group, (I have lived through worse than that), I was referring to the new group that are making it in under the current circumstances. It's klondike time right now as far as I can see.[/quote]

Gotcha...

Some are coming in pretty young... but the are many that have been around.

Anyway... it's pretty good right now.

WB FO spots to new hires that used to be 10 years to get.

Or quick upgrades... lots of choice...
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#23 Post by RVR6000 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:20 pm

altiplano wrote:
confusedalot wrote:That was your group, (I have lived through worse than that), I was referring to the new group that are making it in under the current circumstances. It's klondike time right now as far as I can see.

Or quick upgrades... lots of choice...
+1 on the choices.

Those that don’t want to work much since flat pay for FO and RP is the same for 4 years. Bid the RP spot (you’ll cash out more with higher tax-free per diems) 3 Asia’s a month you’re done in 9-10 days. Becomes more of a part-time job.
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#24 Post by Victory » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:33 pm

altiplano wrote: WB FO spots to new hires that used to be 10 years to get.
What WB FO spots are available to new hires? Do you mean at Rouge?
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#25 Post by RVR6000 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:46 pm

Victory wrote:
altiplano wrote: WB FO spots to new hires that used to be 10 years to get.
What WB FO spots are available to new hires? Do you mean at Rouge?
Mainline 767 F/O and Rouge 767 is available to new hires.

787 F/O position is fairly junior as well, about 3-4 years. Not long ago it took 10-12 years to hold a 777 FO, it’s down to 5 years now.
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