Roar wrote:I see, but you're fine at 13 hours as per the new regs. I guess one hour makes all the difference
According to the proposed rules published in the Canada Gazette, the only time 13 hours is approved is for flight duty times starting from 07:00-12:59, and with the least amount of flights. Increase the number of flights beyond a threshold and the permitted hours is reduced. Begin duty outside those hours and the permitted hours is reduced. For instance flight duty periods beginning 24:00-03:59 under any circumstance is 9:00 hours.
Science based, and much better than the old 14 hours regardless of time of day if you ask me.
So Roar, I'd like to know what you propose for the 704 operators who work their pilots 18 days a month?
It sounds like you have a pretty cushy job and don't work all that often, I'm curious though, those two weeks off, are they days attached to a cell phone to be on your way to wherever or scheduled days off? If you are on call and only get called in four times a month, you're more fatigued than you think.
If you know when you're flying well in advance with no chance of being called for anything, yah you're probably fairly rested but as Rockie said 14 hours on the back of the clock is still fatiguing and seriously how do they regulate that, "well Roar only works 4 days a month so we'll just give him an exemption"
Roar wrote:I see, but you're fine at 13 hours as per the new regs. I guess one hour makes all the difference
According to the proposed rules published in the Canada Gazette, the only time 13 hours is approved is for flight duty times starting from 07:00-12:59, and with the least amount of flights. Increase the number of flights beyond a threshold and the permitted hours is reduced. Begin duty outside those hours and the permitted hours is reduced. For instance flight duty periods beginning 24:00-03:59 under any circumstance is 9:00 hours.
Science based, and much better than the old 14 hours regardless of time of day if you ask me.
I'm all for lowering the max duty times. Make it 12. Make it 10. I don't care. But don't make it so that you need a lawyer on staff to determine whether a charter can be done or not.
I can absolutely without a doubt say I am significantly more fatigued after 8 hours of hauling groceries than I am after 12 hours of hauling bulk fuel. Its the physical labour associated with the flying that causes the bulk of the fatigue, not sitting there minding an autopilot. I guess most of you 705 types have forgotten that.
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The solution is easy for corporate operators. Conduct your flights under 604 regulations. Operating under 704 is likely nothing more than a tax dodge so it is about time fatigue is addressed and money take the back seat.
The solution is easy for corporate operators. Conduct your flights under 604 regulations. Operating under 704 is likely nothing more than a tax dodge so it is about time fatigue is addressed and money take the back seat.
Roar wrote:The new duty time regs. Are a ridiculous attempt at a one size fits all solution designed for the airlines. I understand that the 705 world needs new duty limits but to paint all 704 operations with the same brush is asinine. I personally fly on average 3-4 days a month so even if all of my days were 14 hours on duty TC is going to tell me I'm fatigued? It's a joke.
I don't think as humans evolved they did so to fit into to 704 or 705 categories. Fatigue is fatigue.
And not being fatigued is not being fatigued. So because a 705 pilot is fatigued after doing 20 days flying in a month with 14 hour duty days, that means that I can't work even one 14 hour day of the whole 4 days a month I fly. One is not equivalent to the other so the rules should reflect the actual operation one conducts, not just blanket cover everyone with the same rule.
Then your company creates an Fatigue Risk Management System and presents it to TC and requests an exemption..
Did you read any of the proposed changes before you freak out?
