The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, North Shore
The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
A pilot that leaves to jazz in a year. Seriously a corporate gig looking for an experienced guy for 60k, only if it's a retired ac guy with a backup pension, oh wait there flying beings for 350k in china. I'm getting 90k for <200 hrs/yr. pony up guys
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
What? I've read this a few times and it still does not make sense.
- Jean-Pierre
- Rank 5
- Posts: 390
- Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:56 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
He say you must pay corporate pilot 90k not 60k or they will go to Jazz for 40k.
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 144
- Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:11 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
rigpiggy wrote:A pilot that leaves to jazz in a year. Seriously a corporate gig looking for an experienced guy for 60k, only if it's a retired ac guy with a backup pension, oh wait there flying beings for 350k in china. I'm getting 90k for <200 hrs/yr. pony up guys
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 167
- Joined: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:51 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
Even I don't understand
-
- Rank 2
- Posts: 92
- Joined: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:21 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
my guess at decoding this is :
The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you?
It gets you a pilot that leaves to jazz in a year. Seriously? A corporate gig looking for an experienced guy for 60k? Only if it's a retired ac guy with a backup pension! Oh wait there flying boeings for 350k in China. I'm getting 90k for <200 hrs/yr. pony up corporate operators.
The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you?
It gets you a pilot that leaves to jazz in a year. Seriously? A corporate gig looking for an experienced guy for 60k? Only if it's a retired ac guy with a backup pension! Oh wait there flying boeings for 350k in China. I'm getting 90k for <200 hrs/yr. pony up corporate operators.
-
- Rank 6
- Posts: 410
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:57 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
This is like reading bad COBOL
Guess I dated myself with that comment.
Guess I dated myself with that comment.
- Cat Driver
- Top Poster
- Posts: 18921
- Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:31 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
It is pilot talk, only understood by pilots.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
Cat Driver wrote:It is pilot talk, only understood by pilots.
You realize COBOL is a programming language Cat?Conquest Driver wrote:This is like reading bad COBOL
Guess I dated myself with that comment.
Going for the deck at corner
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
Elsewhere on this site, there is a job ad for a corporate piston twin position for $50-$60k. A pilot that possessed the experience that is being sought in the job ad would make them an ideal candidate for Jazz/Encore/Porter/Georgian. I believe the OP is suggesting that the working conditions (which in this particular ad only includes 8 Guaranteed Days off per month) makes the job not overly desirable for a pilot to remain working there for more than a year before they left for a regional.
So while the sentence structure of the original post may be lacking, it makes a very good point. As pilots we have a good bargaining position at the moment. Looking at things rationally, what makes more sense if you have 1500 hours - joining a regional making 40k a year (with the pros and cons that come with regional flying) or making 50-60k a year flying a piston twin. I'd argue that for most candidates, going the regional route makes more sense (i.e. better schedule, quick-ish upgrades at the moment, flight benefits and then options for the majors). While there are always pilots who are not interested in going to the regional or major airlines, there still are many options out there that would arguably pay more than what is being offered.
So while the sentence structure of the original post may be lacking, it makes a very good point. As pilots we have a good bargaining position at the moment. Looking at things rationally, what makes more sense if you have 1500 hours - joining a regional making 40k a year (with the pros and cons that come with regional flying) or making 50-60k a year flying a piston twin. I'd argue that for most candidates, going the regional route makes more sense (i.e. better schedule, quick-ish upgrades at the moment, flight benefits and then options for the majors). While there are always pilots who are not interested in going to the regional or major airlines, there still are many options out there that would arguably pay more than what is being offered.
-
- Rank 7
- Posts: 693
- Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:57 am
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
And just to throw it out there, you'll likely push 50k in your first year at a place like Jazz with 12k ish of tax free per diems on top of that.
- oldncold
- Rank (9)
- Posts: 1015
- Joined: Thu May 13, 2004 11:17 am
- Location: south of 78N latitude , north of 30'latitude
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
What does 55-60 k get you
I'will bite, should be what it don't get ya. But I digress lol
1) revolving door of exp capt leaving
2) stressed worn out. Cp 's spending way more time training line indoc ing and admin. = lost Rev hurts bottom line.
3) softer issues lower morale lack of continuity.
4) parked aircraft. No crew
5) maxed out remaining crews which if goes on for extended period of time. Causes. Those to reevaluate. Their. Life style / compensation. Equation
In short it (55k-60)don't get a lot. These days. It seems to be a stopgap. Keep the cash flowing pay the bills. Not a longterm career option.
Yet that is what mgt needs stability. They need to ask. This? is better to have. Your company a destination of choice regardless of tier with happy highly paid group of crew vs a piecemeal. Crews That won't stay because of pay. They both affect the bottom line of the company but the hidden costs in turnover cleint relations. Plus training are staggering those are but a few item on the topand bottom line
The best run companies regardless of field. Get this.
85k + is the new 50k of15- 20 years ago
I'm reminded of why one works Career Money. Buys lifestyle. The rest is negotiable. Fly safe
I'will bite, should be what it don't get ya. But I digress lol
1) revolving door of exp capt leaving
2) stressed worn out. Cp 's spending way more time training line indoc ing and admin. = lost Rev hurts bottom line.
3) softer issues lower morale lack of continuity.
4) parked aircraft. No crew
5) maxed out remaining crews which if goes on for extended period of time. Causes. Those to reevaluate. Their. Life style / compensation. Equation
In short it (55k-60)don't get a lot. These days. It seems to be a stopgap. Keep the cash flowing pay the bills. Not a longterm career option.
Yet that is what mgt needs stability. They need to ask. This? is better to have. Your company a destination of choice regardless of tier with happy highly paid group of crew vs a piecemeal. Crews That won't stay because of pay. They both affect the bottom line of the company but the hidden costs in turnover cleint relations. Plus training are staggering those are but a few item on the topand bottom line
The best run companies regardless of field. Get this.
85k + is the new 50k of15- 20 years ago
I'm reminded of why one works Career Money. Buys lifestyle. The rest is negotiable. Fly safe
-
- Rank 4
- Posts: 294
- Joined: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:54 am
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
How drunk were you when you wrote this? hahaoldncold wrote:What does 55-60 k get you
I'will bite, should be what it don't get ya. But I digress lol
1) revolving door of exp capt leaving
2) stressed worn out. Cp 's spending way more time training line indoc ing and admin. = lost Rev hurts bottom line.
3) softer issues lower morale lack of continuity.
4) parked aircraft. No crew
5) maxed out remaining crews which if goes on for extended period of time. Causes. Those to reevaluate. Their. Life style / compensation. Equation
In short it (55k-60)don't get a lot. These days. It seems to be a stopgap. Keep the cash flowing pay the bills. Not a longterm career option.
Yet that is what mgt needs stability. They need to ask. This? is better to have. Your company a destination of choice regardless of tier with happy highly paid group of crew vs a piecemeal. Crews That won't stay because of pay. They both affect the bottom line of the company but the hidden costs in turnover cleint relations. Plus training are staggering those are but a few item on the topand bottom line
The best run companies regardless of field. Get this.
85k + is the new 50k of15- 20 years ago
I'm reminded of why one works Career Money. Buys lifestyle. The rest is negotiable. Fly safe
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
I will admit my sentence structure can be a bit cryptic, oldncold and JBI got the gist. I fly several kingairs, turboprops, and medium pistons. I charge 400-500 day depending on type, plus my 75K main job. Why anybody would work for 55k, unless they are living in their parents basement is beyond me
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 167
- Joined: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:51 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
My lifestyle has led me to some wrong life choices ok..rigpiggy wrote: Why anybody would work for 55k, unless they are living in their parents basement is beyond me
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
Regionals are amazing! Who doesn't want get out of their mom's basement into a Radisson or Holiday in to stream Netflix every night.
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
Certainly a better use of one's time than trolling a month old thread on a message board...johngalt wrote:Regionals are amazing! Who doesn't want get out of their mom's basement into a Radisson or Holiday in to stream Netflix every night.
-
- Rank 7
- Posts: 693
- Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:57 am
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
Trolling is right. Because the hotels we stay in are actually really nice.JBI wrote:Certainly a better use of one's time than trolling a month old thread on a message board...johngalt wrote:Regionals are amazing! Who doesn't want get out of their mom's basement into a Radisson or Holiday in to stream Netflix every night.
-
- Rank 8
- Posts: 825
- Joined: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:10 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
I wish I had a biscuit I could give you
-
- Rank 7
- Posts: 571
- Joined: Mon May 17, 2010 12:58 pm
Re: The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you
Pretty close. Adjusting for inflation, a $60,000 salary works out to $86,000 today.oldncold wrote:85k + is the new 50k of15- 20 years ago