The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you

[rigpiggy]

A pilot that leaves to jazz in a year. Seriously a corporate gig looking for an experienced guy for 60k, only if it's a retired ac guy with a backup pension, oh wait there flying beings for 350k in china. I'm getting 90k for <200 hrs/yr. pony up guys

[flyinhigh]

What? I've read this a few times and it still does not make sense.

[Jean-Pierre]

He say you must pay corporate pilot 90k not 60k or they will go to Jazz for 40k.

[MrAviator19]

A pilot that leaves to jazz in a year. Seriously a corporate gig looking for an experienced guy for 60k, only if it's a retired ac guy with a backup pension, oh wait there flying beings for 350k in china. I'm getting 90k for <200 hrs/yr. pony up guys

[Alcoholism]

Even I don't understand

[Rupert_Pupkin]

my guess at decoding this is :
The pilot shortage, or what does 55-60k a year get you?


It gets you a pilot that leaves to jazz in a year. Seriously? A corporate gig looking for an experienced guy for 60k? Only if it's a retired ac guy with a backup pension! Oh wait there flying boeings for 350k in China. I'm getting 90k for <200 hrs/yr. pony up corporate operators.

[Conquest Driver]

This is like reading bad COBOL
Guess I dated myself with that comment.

[Cat Driver]

It is pilot talk, only understood by pilots.

[AuxBatOn]

It is pilot talk, only understood by pilots.

This is like reading bad COBOL
Guess I dated myself with that comment.

You realize COBOL is a programming language Cat?

[JBI]

Elsewhere on this site, there is a job ad for a corporate piston twin position for $50-$60k. A pilot that possessed the experience that is being sought in the job ad would make them an ideal candidate for Jazz/Encore/Porter/Georgian. I believe the OP is suggesting that the working conditions (which in this particular ad only includes 8 Guaranteed Days off per month) makes the job not overly desirable for a pilot to remain working there for more than a year before they left for a regional.

So while the sentence structure of the original post may be lacking, it makes a very good point. As pilots we have a good bargaining position at the moment. Looking at things rationally, what makes more sense if you have 1500 hours - joining a regional making 40k a year (with the pros and cons that come with regional flying) or making 50-60k a year flying a piston twin. I'd argue that for most candidates, going the regional route makes more sense (i.e. better schedule, quick-ish upgrades at the moment, flight benefits and then options for the majors). While there are always pilots who are not interested in going to the regional or major airlines, there still are many options out there that would arguably pay more than what is being offered.

[Black_Tusk]

And just to throw it out there, you'll likely push 50k in your first year at a place like Jazz with 12k ish of tax free per diems on top of that.

[oldncold]

What does 55-60 k get you
I'will bite, should be what it don't get ya. But I digress lol

1) revolving door of exp capt leaving
2) stressed worn out. Cp 's spending way more time training line indoc ing and admin. = lost Rev hurts bottom line.
3) softer issues lower morale lack of continuity.
4) parked aircraft. No crew
5) maxed out remaining crews which if goes on for extended period of time. Causes. Those to reevaluate. Their. Life style / compensation. Equation

In short it (55k-60)don't get a lot. These days. It seems to be a stopgap. Keep the cash flowing pay the bills. Not a longterm career option.
Yet that is what mgt needs stability. They need to ask. This? is better to have. Your company a destination of choice regardless of tier with happy highly paid group of crew vs a piecemeal. Crews That won't stay because of pay. They both affect the bottom line of the company but the hidden costs in turnover cleint relations. Plus training are staggering those are but a few item on the topand bottom line
The best run companies regardless of field. Get this.
85k + is the new 50k of15- 20 years ago

I'm reminded of why one works Career Money. Buys lifestyle. The rest is negotiable. Fly safe

[FOD_Vacuum]

What does 55-60 k get you
I'will bite, should be what it don't get ya. But I digress lol

1) revolving door of exp capt leaving
2) stressed worn out. Cp 's spending way more time training line indoc ing and admin. = lost Rev hurts bottom line.
3) softer issues lower morale lack of continuity.
4) parked aircraft. No crew
5) maxed out remaining crews which if goes on for extended period of time. Causes. Those to reevaluate. Their. Life style / compensation. Equation

In short it (55k-60)don't get a lot. These days. It seems to be a stopgap. Keep the cash flowing pay the bills. Not a longterm career option.
Yet that is what mgt needs stability. They need to ask. This? is better to have. Your company a destination of choice regardless of tier with happy highly paid group of crew vs a piecemeal. Crews That won't stay because of pay. They both affect the bottom line of the company but the hidden costs in turnover cleint relations. Plus training are staggering those are but a few item on the topand bottom line
The best run companies regardless of field. Get this.
85k + is the new 50k of15- 20 years ago

I'm reminded of why one works Career Money. Buys lifestyle. The rest is negotiable. Fly safe

How drunk were you when you wrote this? haha

[rigpiggy]

I will admit my sentence structure can be a bit cryptic, oldncold and JBI got the gist. I fly several kingairs, turboprops, and medium pistons. I charge 400-500 day depending on type, plus my 75K main job. Why anybody would work for 55k, unless they are living in their parents basement is beyond me

[Alcoholism]

Why anybody would work for 55k, unless they are living in their parents basement is beyond me

My lifestyle has led me to some wrong life choices ok..

[johngalt]

Regionals are amazing! Who doesn't want get out of their mom's basement into a Radisson or Holiday in to stream Netflix every night.

[JBI]

Regionals are amazing! Who doesn't want get out of their mom's basement into a Radisson or Holiday in to stream Netflix every night.

Certainly a better use of one's time than trolling a month old thread on a message board...

[Black_Tusk]

Regionals are amazing! Who doesn't want get out of their mom's basement into a Radisson or Holiday in to stream Netflix every night.

Certainly a better use of one's time than trolling a month old thread on a message board...

Trolling is right. Because the hotels we stay in are actually really nice.

[leftoftrack]

I wish I had a biscuit I could give you

[BE20 Driver]

85k + is the new 50k of15- 20 years ago

Pretty close. Adjusting for inflation, a $60,000 salary works out to $86,000 today.