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Junkers W34

#1 Post by Antique Pilot » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:45 pm

Just wanted to start a new thread about Junkers W34 aircraft that was mentioned in the RCAF History thread.

Maybe you can clear up a bit of confusion Moose 47,

Cf-AQW was written off on Aug 10, 1959 near Nelson BC.
CF-AQB, another Junkers W34 was withdrawn from use on the same date.

Both aircraft were owned by Skyway Air Service of Langley. Seems strange to me. Perhaps my reference material is incorrect.

A friend of mine who is still very active in aircraft restoration flew AQB when it was registered to Riverton Airways in the 1950's. Here is a photo of it at Hecla Island on Lake Winnipeg.

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Re: Junkers W34

#2 Post by Moose47 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:02 pm

G'day AP

Here is the list of operators of CF-AQB.

February 19, 1931 - J. H. St. Martin, Longueuil, Quebec

October 29, 1942 - M Charbonneau – Montreal, Quebec

February 26, 1943 - Arthur Fecteau - Senneterre, Quebec (Fecteau Air Services)
Circa May, 1950, it was re-engined with the Pratt & Whitney Wasp engine which changed the designation to W-34f

May 6, 1952 - Riverton Airways Limited - Winnipeg, Manitoba

October 13, 1954 - Pacific Western Air Lines Limited – October 1954 to April 1959

April 21, 1959 Skyway Air Services Limited - Langley, British Columbia
NOTE: Both CF-AQB and CF-AQF were modified by Fairey Aviation in Victoria, B. C. as water bombers. This entailed the installation of a probe and internal tanks capable of holding 150 gallons.

*The Certificate of Registration was let to laps on the 8th of October, 1959 and the aircraft was subsequently withdrawn from use.

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Re: Junkers W34

#3 Post by Antique Pilot » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:17 pm

Moose47 wrote:G'day AP

Here is the list of operators of CF-AQB.

February 19, 1931 - J. H. St. Martin, Longueuil, Quebec

October 29, 1942 - M Charbonneau – Montreal, Quebec

February 26, 1943 - Arthur Fecteau - Senneterre, Quebec (Fecteau Air Services)
Circa May, 1950, it was re-engined with the Pratt & Whitney Wasp engine which changed the designation to W-34f

May 6, 1952 - Riverton Airways Limited - Winnipeg, Manitoba

October 13, 1954 - Pacific Western Air Lines Limited – October 1954 to April 1959

April 21, 1959 Skyway Air Services Limited - Langley, British Columbia
NOTE: Both CF-AQB and CF-AQF were modified by Fairey Aviation in Victoria, B. C. as water bombers. This entailed the installation of a probe and internal tanks capable of holding 150 gallons.

*The Certificate of Registration was let to laps on the 8th of October, 1959 and the aircraft was subsequently withdrawn from use.

Cheers...Chris
Hi Chris,

Thanks for that. But did you mean AQW instead of AQF as being modified for water bombing?
The photo of AQB in front of the buildings is probably at Riverton MB c1951.

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#4 Post by Moose47 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:27 pm

G'day AP

Yes indeed it was CF-AQW. Thanks for catching that.

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#5 Post by Antique Pilot » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:01 pm

Here is Junkers W34 CF-ATF on it's way to Rockcliffe from Vancouver. Photo taken at Rivercrest MB Sept 1962.

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Re: Junkers W34

#6 Post by beech 18 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:03 pm

March 24, 2017

Not sure how many Junkers flew in Canada.
Some of them and who they spent a bit of time flying for.


CF-ABK - Western Canada Airways then Canadian Airways.
CF-AMZ - flew with Canadian Airways. Parted out for CF-AQW
CF-AQB - Pacific Western Airlines.
CF-AQV - Canadian Airways. Accident near Gold Pines, Ontario in 1939
CF-AQW - Canadian Airways. Pacific Western Airlines. Accident in 1959.
CF-ARI - Canadian Airways. Accident Waterways, N.W.T. 1940
CF-ASI - Canadian Airways
CF-ASN - Canadian Airways, Canadian Pacific Airlines.
CF-ATF - Canadian Airways. Pacific Western Airlines. Pacific Wings. Now in the aviation museum
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#7 Post by Moose47 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:27 pm

G'day

I think we got them all unless you want to include the Junkers F.13.

All of Canadian Pacific's Junkers W-33's and W-34's came from Canadian Airways.

CF-AMZ - Parted out as of the 11th of January, 1945
CF- AQW- Struck off on the 20th of October, 1947. Sold to Central B.C. Airlines at Ft. St. James B.C.
CF-ASN - Struck off on 4th of September, 1946. Sold to B. C. Central Airlines at Prince George B. C.
CF-ATF - Same as above.

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#8 Post by Antique Pilot » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:05 pm

beech 18 wrote:March 24, 2017

Not sure how many Junkers flew in Canada.
Some of them and who they spent a bit of time flying for.


CF-ABK - Western Canada Airways then Canadian Airways.
CF-AMZ - flew with Canadian Airways. Parted out for CF-AQW
CF-AQB - Pacific Western Airlines.
CF-AQV - Canadian Airways. Accident near Gold Pines, Ontario in 1939
CF-AQW - Canadian Airways. Pacific Western Airlines. Accident in Queen Charlotte Islands Aug 1940.
CF-ARI - Canadian Airways. Accident Waterways, N.W.T. 1940
CF-ASI - Canadian Airways
CF-ASN - Canadian Airways, Canadian Pacific Airlines.
CF-ATF - Canadian Airways. Pacific Western Airlines. Pacific Wings. Now in the aviation museum
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Here is Junkers W34 CF-ASI after it's demise at Kagianagami Lake, Ont on Dec 3, 1932 in the Nipigon Lake country. I was doing research on Canadian Airways at he Provincial Archives in Winnipeg and came across a few photos of ASI.

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#9 Post by bobo » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:08 pm

Is this the one that crashed landing at a HBC post on Kaganagamani Lake north of Lake Nipigon?
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#10 Post by Antique Pilot » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:29 pm

bobo wrote:Is this the one that crashed landing at a HBC post on Kaganagamani Lake north of Lake Nipigon?
Yes.
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Re: Junkers W34

#11 Post by beech 18 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:47 am

In a posting on March 24 I wrote that Junkers CF-AQW was
involved in an accident in the Queen Charlotte Islands in 1940.

That was incorrect and I edited my posting.
AQW was involved in an accident in 1959 in B.C.
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#12 Post by beech 18 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:59 am

March 27, 2017

Junkers CF-AQB on the Fraser River.
The operators name appears to be painted over.

Photo found on the internet.
Photographer not known.
Date taken not known.


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#13 Post by roscoe » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:09 am

Two shots of CF-ARI through the ice at Goldfields SK (my home town). Photos taken by my dad late '30's. According to Rex Terpenning, she was salvaged and returned to service, and later came to grief at Waterways due to fuel system mismanagement.
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#14 Post by Antique Pilot » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:46 am

roscoe wrote:Two shots of CF-ARI through the ice at Goldfields SK (my home town). Photos taken by my dad late '30's. According to Rex Terpenning, she was salvaged and returned to service, and later came to grief at Waterways due to fuel system mismanagement.
I obtained from the Canadian Airways archives internal company correspondence regarding the accident with ARI. Happened on Jan 25, 1940. 2 passengers were killed. It makes for very interesting reading. There was discussion about the use of the gravity tank during climb, and the use of the wobble pump after the engine quit. 11 pages in all.

Regarding ASI that crashed near Lake Nipigon it is actually a Junkers W33 since it still had the Junkers L5 liquid cooled in-line engine. The 33 became a 34 when re-engined with a P&W Wasp.

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#15 Post by beech 18 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:05 am

April 05, 2017

Junkers CF-ATF with Beech 18 CF-BQQ.

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#16 Post by Antique Pilot » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:33 pm

beech 18 wrote:April 05, 2017

Junkers CF-ATF with Beech 18 CF-BQQ.

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Very interesting photo. The Junkers ATF has Canadian Pacific Airlines on the fuselage. The merger of about 10 airlines to form CPA occured in 1942. ATF was sold to Central BC Airways in 1946. So the photo was taken sometime between 1942-1946. More likely 1943-1945.

The Beech BQQ was registered to CPA from 1942-1946.

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#17 Post by Siddley Hawker » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:02 pm

The Beech BQQ was registered to CPA from 1942-1946.
After CP it went to Northern Wings, based in Sept-Iles QC. It was lost in April of 1953 or 54 at Little Manitou Lake, 60 miles east of Sept-Iles.
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#18 Post by beech 18 » Sun May 14, 2017 3:00 pm

May 14, 2017

Photo of CF-ABK found on the internet.
Taken at Hudson's Hope was the only information with the photo.
Date taken in not known.

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#19 Post by beech 18 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:37 am

July 17, 2017

Photo of CF-AQW
Location may be Flin Flon, Manitoba
Date taken not known.


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#20 Post by beech 18 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:17 pm

October 18, 2017

Photo found on the internet.
Photographer and date taken not known.

Junkers CF-ATF at Finlay Forks.
Hudson Bay Company fur trading post in Northern British Columbia.


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#21 Post by beech 18 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:08 am

January 05, 2018

Photo found on the internet.
No details with photo as to where or when taken.
Photographer not know.

Junkers CF-AQW and CF-ARM.

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#22 Post by Pacqing » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:23 pm

I have a picture with 2 Junkers in it, AMZ and another, and it has 2 more machines, ATW and ATJ. the caption says Canadian Airways base. Thing is when i try to post it it says file to large. can anyone tell me how to fix this so I can post it here thanks
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#23 Post by benoit.baril » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:49 am

Found these 2 undated postcards of CF-AQB in St-Jovite PQ while browsing archives.
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#24 Post by Antique Pilot » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:44 am

benoit.baril wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:49 am
Found these 2 undated postcards of CF-AQB in St-Jovite PQ while browsing archives.
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Nice. It still has the liquid cooled engine. AQB was registered to A. Fecteau of Senneterre PQ on February 26, 1943. In May of 1950 the Junkers L5 liquid cooled Engine was replaced with a P&W Wasp engine.

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#25 Post by benoit.baril » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:58 am

Another one I found in the archives:
CF-AMZ in Sept-Îles, PQ 1935
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