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Lack of Crew?

#1 Post by whipline » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:22 pm

What's going on at porter?
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#2 Post by Monorail Conductor » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:03 pm

Well it probably aint Flow...
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#3 Post by Teeg » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:30 am

Bobby D explains it all right here

http://www.bnn.ca/garneau-shell-1.827831
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#4 Post by whipline » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:19 am

Not really. He blames everyone else. Looks like yesterday there was 9 cancelled flights and almost every flight was delayed significantly. There was no weather issues that I saw. Mechanical? I'm sure porter has some spare aircraft around? So what's left, Lack of pilots?

Thanks for the article. Looks like he's dangling the jet carrot. Something that's never going to happen out of ytz.
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#5 Post by Black_Tusk » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:00 pm

They need to hire a media relations rep.

Did a Deluce just admit there is a worldwide pilot shortage? Ok Bob when do the pay increases start?
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#6 Post by speedah » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:28 pm

I have been told by a FO that any additional flying pilots do will be paid at X3. So something is happening!
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#7 Post by vrefplus5 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:09 am

Confirmed. Triple time. Unheard of in the industry.
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#8 Post by floats4fun » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:01 am

Why haven't regionals like Porter (or any of the express carriers for that matter) advertised for DEC's? I would think a DEC advertisement would attract pilots with interest...those not willing to come in from the right seat and take a pay cut.
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#9 Post by PostmasterGeneral » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:39 am

DEC would never happen at Jazz being under ALPA. Even now, there is no shortage of qualified FO's eligible for upgrade.
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#10 Post by goingnowherefast » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:02 pm

Except this is a Porter thread.
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#11 Post by Ruddervator » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:36 pm

What kind of pilots is Porter attracting these days? Encore, Jazz, Sky, and even GGN have some form of flow to another carrier. Is Porter really the kind of place that anyone can stay at long term?
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#12 Post by itswhatsfordinner » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:58 pm

Ruddervator wrote:What kind of pilots is Porter attracting these days? Encore, Jazz, Sky, and even GGN have some form of flow to another carrier. Is Porter really the kind of place that anyone can stay at long term?
Given your post history, it looks like you were the kind of pilot that was attracted. Did you ever hear back?
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#13 Post by Grey_Wolf » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:05 am

To the original post,

Porter has been short Captains for the summer, often resulting in consolidating and/or cancelling flights. Bob did mention that weather across the northeast this summer has been odd to say the least. Pop-up TCU's have caused lengthy delays in EWR. BOS has construction earlier which exacerbated the problem. Lastly terminal construction at YTZ has resulted in lengthy waits for gates.

As for paying triple time, yes it is occurring, but it's a short term measure. Crews are being offered triple their hourly rate to come in work on their days off and vacation days only.

Porter management is having a sit down with its pilots next week to discuss their Pilot Retention Package. Things are happening, and it'll be interesting what comes out of that meeting.
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#14 Post by rudder » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:18 am

Perhaps not right away, but eventually AC will empty the cockpits of tier 2 carriers where there is a strategic benefit to significantly affect operational capability and commercial integrity. There is little that Porter can do to protect itself if it is on the AC radar screen.

Deluce et al would be wise to look at what the future holds and see if now is the time to cash in - at a realistic price, not fantasy.
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#15 Post by rxl » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:56 am

rudder wrote:
Deluce et al would be wise to look at what the future holds and see if now is the time to cash in - at a realistic price, not fantasy.
Apparently Mr. Deluce has a different idea ...

http://www.bnn.ca/video/porter-ceo-we-r ... ut~1185831
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#16 Post by rudder » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:07 am

Trying to create an equivalency between Porter pilots going to AC and AC pilots going to Emirates/Singapore? Perhaps 80% of Porter pilots would like to leave Porter for AC but 0.08% of AC pilots want to leave AC for Emirates.

What a moronic statement (amongst several others).

Just keep paying triple time Bob. Everything will be OK.
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#17 Post by Spirit » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:30 am

I didn't know Porter had a high turnover. Thought their pilots were happy there.
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#18 Post by whipline » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Thanks for the response grey wolf. I've started asking around. Looks like most companies are starting to feel the pinch.

Rudder I've been saying the same thing. If AC wanted to shut down or cripple another company fast all they'd have to do is hire a bunch of their pilots. If AC filled two months of courses with our pilots we'd be in trouble.

Great time to learn to fly!
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#19 Post by Black_Tusk » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:41 pm

Porter has been on the offensive sending out messages on LinkedIn. I have not seen any Canadian airline try to recruit from LinkedIn yet by direct message, it's a first.
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#20 Post by dhc# » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:06 am

Didn't Air Georgian try the Linkedin recruitment tactic a year or so ago ?
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#21 Post by DanWEC » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:31 am

I've had 2 direct messages in the last couple years. One was a recruiter looking to fill instructor positions at Seneca (Their requirements at the time was a degree and an ATPL). Truthfully it actually sounded pretty attractive. Next was another instructor position at some Praries FTU. No line flying positions.
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#22 Post by Adam Oke » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:06 pm

I have been successfully head hunted on Linkedin in the past. It is more of a powerful tool then I had expected. I think the younger HR types nowadays use it more then we think.

I think it's quite reasonable for companies to reach out, and vice versa....that is the entire purpose of the "professional network".
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#23 Post by groundpilot » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:11 pm

After watching that interview...

I wouldn't say I would be comfortable with who was steering the ship if I was an employee there.

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Re: Lack of Crew?

#24 Post by Black_Tusk » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:18 pm

Are approaches in to YTZ Captain only like at other airlines? To Porters aircraft have HUD's?
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Re: Lack of Crew?

#25 Post by fozzi » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:39 am

Black_Tusk wrote:Are approaches in to YTZ Captain only like at other airlines? To Porters aircraft have HUD's?
Porter FOs are allowed to land at YTZ.

And no HUD on Porter aircraft.
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