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Pilot in Waiting.

#1 Post by Zaibatsu » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:13 pm

:lol: :smt044 :smt043 :smt046 :weedman:

The 2000s called and they want their job ad back.
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#2 Post by Black_Tusk » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:11 pm

Zaibatsu wrote::lol: :smt044 :smt043 :smt046 :weedman:

The 2000s called and they want their job ad back.

- King Air, Baron and/or Travel Air time considered an asset.


Sure are a lot of "assets" listed for a 250 hour ramp rat gig.
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#3 Post by Cat Driver » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:23 pm

The King Air, Baron and Travel Air are O.K. but the chance to get a DC3 type rating is priceless.

Of all the airplanes I ever flew my favourite was the DC3.

So if nothing else that would be worth getting.
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#4 Post by Black_Tusk » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:58 am

Cat Driver wrote:The King Air, Baron and Travel Air are O.K. but the chance to get a DC3 type rating is priceless.

Of all the airplanes I ever flew my favourite was the DC3.

So if nothing else that would be worth getting.

Wait... are you advocating a Pilot in Waiting job? I thought you were abhorrently opposed to them?
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#5 Post by Cat Driver » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:57 am

My comment was meant to give my opinion that the DC3 was my favourite airplane.
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Re: Pilot in Waiting.

#6 Post by CL-Skadoo! » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:19 pm

I don't know why, everytime I see this idiotic term this image pops into my head:

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But I guess the definition seems to hold weight:
Pilots in waiting expected to carry out mundane tasks like making their mistress’s bed, carrying messages, accompanying her on visits or being entrusted with her jewels.

At her coronation, Anne Boleyn’s pilots-in-waiting were on hand to “hold a fine cloth before the Queen’s face” when she needed to spit.
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#7 Post by bornagain1340 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:26 pm

Maybe the "lucky" individual will receive a complimentary box set of Ice Pilots on VHS.
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#8 Post by Cat Driver » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:38 pm

Maybe it would be an opportunity to get to learn to fly an airplane better?
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#9 Post by trey kule » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:43 pm

If I was a youngin starting out , I would be all over this.
Sign up, get Paid, watch TV and surf the net all day while waiting,

That is how it works, right? :smt040
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#10 Post by Bacunayagua » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:31 am

It is only 'unprofessional' and a 'bringing the industry down' when it's anything other than Cats favourite plane. When it's his beloved DC-3 he calls it, 'an opportunity to get to learn to fly an airplane better'.

A hypocrite if I ever saw one.
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#11 Post by Cat Driver » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:43 am

A hypocrite if I ever saw one.
Are you saying if someone has a favourite airplane that person is a hypocrite?

Wow you sure have a weird way of thinking.
It is only 'unprofessional' and a 'bringing the industry down'

You are the only one who has control over bringing the industry down.

It is the pilots who work for peanuts and accept being treated like a dumb animal that drives down the industry.

You can insult me as much as you want but I never ever worked for that mindset in the fifty one years I flew for a living.

And I managed to retire from flying with enough money to live very comfortably.
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#12 Post by Bacunayagua » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:40 am

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills there Cat, maybe this is why the "Literacy Test" was instituted. Try re-reading what I wrote.

My point was that you're very quick to call "pilot-in-waiting" positions below our profession, to which I agree. But then you seem to throw your conviction out the window as soon as it has the potential to lead to a flying position in the gooney bird.

Q.E.D. You're a hypocrite.
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#13 Post by Cat Driver » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:05 pm

but the chance to get a DC3 type rating is priceless.

Of all the airplanes I ever flew my favourite was the DC3.

So if nothing else that would be worth getting.
Speaking of reading comprehension, re read the above.

If a low time pilot took the advertised job and was guaranteed a DC3 type rating in a reasonable time frame then in my opinion it would be worth the effort.

By the way do you have a favourite airplane?

Would you like to get a DC3 rating?
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#14 Post by Black_Tusk » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:20 pm

Bacunayagua wrote:I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills there Cat, maybe this is why the "Literacy Test" was instituted. Try re-reading what I wrote.

My point was that you're very quick to call "pilot-in-waiting" positions below our profession, to which I agree. But then you seem to throw your conviction out the window as soon as it has the potential to lead to a flying position in the gooney bird.

Q.E.D. You're a hypocrite.
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#15 Post by Cat Driver » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:34 pm

Well I guess that settles it, I must be a hypocrite.

I hope I can deal with this loss to my credibility in aviation. :prayer:

Oh, by the way Black_Tusk would you like to get a DC3 rating?
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#16 Post by Black_Tusk » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:12 pm

I would have loved to fly a DC3 along with Twin Otter, Beaver and some kind of King Air. If I would have gotten into aviation younger than I did I would have stayed flying in remote Canada a lot longer. However, I for one could see the writing on the wall in the airline industry in regards to lack of pilots, retirements etc. and made the choice to move over as soon as I was given the chance to better set myself up financially in a long term career. I had a very lucrative job offer to remain in 703, which I turned down. Short term successions for long term gain.

Remember, just because someone hasn't flown as many aircraft as you, or been to as many places around the world doesn't mean they never wanted to. I'm sure you can agree as a man of your age that sometimes in life you need to make tough choices and look at all the factors, a big one being what you want long term out of your career. For me, it is to work at a Canadian airline and settle in for the long haul while collecting a pension and living in the country and city I love. For you it was to fly all over the north, fly cool aircraft and such which I can respect. But to constantly berate and compare your flying to people who want to be financially secure, while working for a good airline with good pay and decent schedule is in poor taste. We all got into this career for different reasons, none better than the other.
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#17 Post by Cat Driver » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:59 pm

Black_Tusk you sure don't know me and of course that is because the internet has a way of fu.king up almost everything that gets discussed, and of course I have managed to piss off a lot of people because I quite often word things in a real asshole like manner. :smt040

Now to your real good post above I can fully understand why you chose the route you did and it was an excellent choice because it has the best chance of long term stability and a liveable income.

As to the Twin Otter and Beaver they are good airplanes for the work they were designed to do but they are so easy to operate they become boring fast.

Actually most airplanes are quite easy to operate and doing anything over and over gets boring.

I did the Corporate thing ( IGA Food Markets and Mobil Oil. ) and also sched airline flying as well as management in sched airlines and found out I just was not happy in those jobs, so I looked for the speciality type of flying and eventually got to the point I could retire and do what ever I feel like doing.

My last flight as a working pilot was with one of my clients in the jump seat of a 767 and it reinforced my decision the time to retire had come, long haul watching the magenta line and time to go on the pretty coloured screens cemented my decision to quit.

If I had it all to do over I would have quit sooner because I was away from my family far to often.

If you want to get something really challenging and fun take up sail plane flying.

Or even more fun gyroplanes.
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#18 Post by Bacunayagua » Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:12 pm

Can I also get that offer? I mean, as long as it's not working for Joe in Yellowknife or Frank out of Pickle.
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#19 Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:28 pm

I'd love to get a DC3 type rating. Giving kids rides at a museum would be a great retirement job.
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#20 Post by Cat Driver » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:36 pm

It would be interesting to know what a DC3 would cost per hour for the type rating.

Does anyone even offer type ratings on a DC3 anymore?
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Re: Pilot in Waiting.

#21 Post by leftoftrack » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:20 am

Every operator that uses them commercially.
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Re: Pilot in Waiting.

#22 Post by Donald » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:42 am

Cat Driver wrote:Maybe it would be an opportunity to get to learn to fly an airplane better?

Sure, if you mean learning how to fly overweight, and push weather, while ignoring maintenance requirements or MEL's. Then yes, Buffalo is a great place to "learn".

At least grooming seat backs will be the least of your concerns, so a jump to WJ or Encore will seem like heaven instead of "beneath our profession". :mrgreen:
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#23 Post by Cat Driver » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:27 am

Well I can't really relate to what working for Joe is like because I never worked for him.

However it is interesting getting the facts outlined from someone who knows what it was like, thanks for sharing Donald.
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#24 Post by lownslow » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:43 am

Pictured: one of these pilots after hire.
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#25 Post by AH6-Overwatch » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:16 pm

"I would have loved to fly a DC3 along with Twin Otter, Beaver and some kind of King Air. If I would have gotten into aviation younger than I did I would have stayed flying in remote Canada a lot longer." :roll:

Northern Ontario is not remote Canada bud. And flying on gravel strips doesn't make you a bush pilot. Just saying.
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